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To have discplined my SILs children as she was doing nothing...??

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Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 13:11

Two days ago, DH, me, our three DCs (9, 11, 13), granny, SIL and her two DCs went out for a meal in the evening (early about 7.00pm) for one of granny's landmark birthdays. We went to a chain pub, which later on turns into a club with bouncers on the door, no children after 9pm etc. It is in a town well known for stag/hen nights, however this time of year it is mostly Christmas parties.

It was very very busy, behind our table there were two long tables of about twenty people each, which looked like work do's. The bar was also very busy - there were steps leading down to the restaurant bit from the bar.

Our food arrived quite quickly. When we had finished our meal, we were waiting for the staff to bring plates for the birthday cake. My SILs older DC started running around and around the table very fast (aged 5yrs). SIL sat there doing nothing. Then the her younger DC started doing it also (aged 3yrs), whilst they were running the 3 year old ran into the legs of a fully laden waitress who nearly dropped all her plates. SIL still just sat there. They were running within close proximity of the people sitting on the end of the work do tables.

SIL was completely oblivious to it all, so I grabbed the 3yr old on his next run around, and plonked him down on a chair beside me, and said in quite a firm voice "sit down now, those people are having their dinner and Granny is about to have her cake". He immediately burst into tears, SIL glared at me, grabbed him on her lap. The 5 year old continued to run around the table, and then ran up the steps on her own into the bar area, my DH went to get her back, when she arrived back he put her onto her chair, she immediatley slid off under the table and started the running around thing again.

They have behaved like this before, I often make excuses for not going out when they are going to be there, as the children's behaviour, or rather the mother's complete oblivion to their behaviour actually winds me up. In the past she also literally just sits there whilst her children run around other people's tables, talk to strangers eating, ask if they can try some of their food (I kid you not!) and generally act as if they are in a playground. SIL has said in the past she thinks it cheers people up to see her kids smiley faces, and they are so freespirited and cute nobody could get annoyed with them..... Hence why I usually make my excuses, but as it was granny's landmark birthday couldn't get out of it.

Anyway, the saga continues - we all take it in turns to do Christmas dinner, this year is SILs turn to do it at her house. Today DH has received a telephone call to say that we are no longer invited for christmas day, as SIL is upset that I took it upon myself discipline her child, and it will ruin their Christmas if I do so again.

I am of the opinion that I am quite pleased not to have to go around there, and am happy to break away from the big family Christmas and start having Christmases at home with just our family, but Granny has now rung up very upset, and asked DH if I can apologise and make an excuse, i.e. say I was stressed at work or something.

I am not happy to do this, as I am not sorry. AIBU to not aplogise even though it will probably upset MIL?

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AmberSocks · 15/12/2012 15:46

I understand their beahviour wasnt on,but i still think its ur for someone to discipline otherschildren,thereare betterways and you could of said "your son is over there and hes just knocked a waitressyou should stop him before an accident happens"

what about the dad,was he not there?

MrsFlibble · 15/12/2012 15:49

AmberSocks OP has said that they tried that, "your child" approach before, if one of those kids got really hurt, it'd be the waitress who got the blame, and that is not fair.

ChippingInLovesChristmasLights · 15/12/2012 15:50

Wine Congratulations! Christmas with people like that is bloody stressful. Have Christmas Day Part 2 with Granny on Boxing Day (save some of the DC's presents) and enjoy two days!!

Apologise to SIL - pft. Not a sodding chance.

Oh and even when this blows over, do not invite her to things you don't want her to attend. Let her sulk all she likes - controlling, manipulative mare.

ChippingInLovesChristmasLights · 15/12/2012 15:50

Amber - it's all there in the thread should you care to read it.

susanann · 15/12/2012 15:51

It would be interesting to know where these brats father was during this episode. You acted correctly and possibly saved someone from being hurt/scalded. I used to work in a shop where kids were allowed to go in the windows and help themselves cos the bloody parents werent watching or correcting them. ggrrrr! I used to stop them and say "dont do that youll get hurt" in a loud voice so the parents could hear. I would ask explain your actions to your MIL and maybe invite her over for Boxing day. I would not go to SIL !

AmberSocks · 15/12/2012 15:51

True,but theopmakes it sound like she was aggressive,plonked and grabbedwould notbeon with me,BUT i wouldnt sit there and do nothingi suppose.

i have pine needles stuck undermykeyboard so somearntworkingsorry..

Aspiemum2 · 15/12/2012 15:51

Really? You don't think it's ok ever to discipline other people's children?

They are family for heavens sake! I have no problem with my family disciplining my dc's - why shouldn't they?

Crinkle77 · 15/12/2012 15:53

I bet she would soon be complaining if her child was scalded with the hot food if she ran in to the waitress

Aspiemum2 · 15/12/2012 15:53

Should add though they don't normally have to as I do it but they do step in if they are closer or I haven't seen something

AmberSocks · 15/12/2012 15:54

sowhatif they are family?they are not the childs parents.Plus parenting styles vary a lot in families,i would always take it to the parents,if they do nothing,then theres nothing you can do,you cant control everyone!

MrsFlibble · 15/12/2012 15:55

Even my 2 best friends discipline my daughter, lucky they havent really needed too much.

Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 15:57

err I had to grab him, as he was running at some speed around our table, and I said "plonked" as in I lifted him off the floor and put him on the chair in one swoop. I did not throw him, or put him down with force.

Out of interest Amberleaf, if you were out with your well behaved children in a restaurant, and other people's children you were out with (family or not) started acting up like my SILs kids, and their parents showed no desire to challenge this behaviour, you have other diners looking at you (not in a friendly way), waitresses clearly thinking your party is a complete pita, your own kids wondering what the merits are in sitting nicely when they could be having fun with the others running around, what exactly would you have done?

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AmberSocks · 15/12/2012 15:57

forinstance mydcsalways turn the slide upside downin thegarden,and use it as a boat (one of those ,little tykesones) i dontmind at all,its sturdy enough,but when my pil were here they said oh no dont do that its naughty,not really disciplining them but to me that is not naughty behaviour.

Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 15:58

whoops Amberleaf = Ambersocks

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AmberSocks · 15/12/2012 15:59

maybe tried distracting them with something.i dont know really,our kids all know how tobehave in adult enviroments because its normal to them.

Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 16:00

Ambersocks - the children were not in their own home. They were in an extremely busy pub restaurant, which as well as diners had many 18-30 age group people drinking in the bar, also bouncers were on the door from 8pm. The older DC decided to leave our table and run through this bar on her own. The Mum just sat at the table and made no effort to retrieve her, my DH had to go and get her, and he said he felt really embarrassed. I guess you would have just left her running around that environment if the parents weren't bothered?

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RandomMess · 15/12/2012 16:03

I think the way forward is for your dh to speak to your dsis and do the "I hear were not invited for Christmas anymore, I understand you're upset so we'll respect your wishes. No hard feelings from us"

AmberSocks · 15/12/2012 16:05

i dont know,i wouldnt take my kids to that kind of place tbh,sounds a bit rough to me.

Aspiemum2 · 15/12/2012 16:06

But parenting isn't just about what you as a parent 'don't mind' is it?

Teaching your children respect and consideration for others is important. Just because their mum doesn't mind them tearing around a busy pub/restaurant doesn't mean she should let them. Why should all the other diners, who are treating themselves to a nice meal out, have to put up with that?

Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 16:06

Don't think blu is SIL. I have NC'd as I am a regular poster, and my previous posts would make it easy for me to be identified. However, I don't think SIL comes on MN, but who knows, perhaps she might come on looking for behaviour tips.

Am quite coming around to the idea of Christmas Day at home with just our family anyway, a leisurely morning, not having to worry about packing up presents and driving, nice afternoon film with the kids, even buying the food is no big deal, will Aunt Bessie it......!!

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SugaricePlumFairy · 15/12/2012 16:06

I like RandomMess's thinking, good one. Xmas Grin

Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 16:09

Ambersocks - it isn't a rough place, it is a really nice contemporary bar/restaurant which has just been refurbished. Our (oler) kids were excited about going there, as they felt it was more grown up. Granny specifically asked to go there so we booked it. SIL was well aware of the type of venue it was, and actually the restaurant bit was well separated from the bar bit, if her kids were not so badly behaved it would not have been an issue.

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Shinyballsandtinsel · 15/12/2012 16:11

I like RandomMess's style too!

Re the venue, why should granny spend her birthday to a Hungry Horse type place, she wanted to go out for a nice meal, not nuggets and chips with softplay on the side!

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SugaricePlumFairy · 15/12/2012 16:15

Was it a Frankie and Benny's type place Shiny.

My teens love going there, if it's anything like that I can imagine how hairy it would be to see children running round;a complete nightmare!

BluelightsAndSirens · 15/12/2012 16:16

What part of the thread makes the venue sound rough Ambersocks? Confused

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