to be angry at this mother.

[Sallyingforth]

Right. I know I'm going to be flamed for this as it's been discussed before but I'll ask anyway.
On the tv last night there was a young mother who was complaining that the council had kept her in b&b because they had no suitable flats. You could see that she was also pregnant. There was no mention of a father for either child.
The last time I checked, pregnancy was optional. It seems totally irresponsible to have another baby when you do not have adequate accommodation for the first.
Councils have a responsibility to house homeless people, and that is quite right. But they cannot keep building infinite numbers of flats just to keep up with people who expect free accommodation for life. The rest of us have to pay for it!

Was the pregnancy planned?

If you don't know the answer to that then YABU and very judgey.

Yanbu.

Oh dear.

This will not end well.

Maybe the father fucked off....after she got pregnant?

How is that her fault?

Do you know any more about her situation than that?

What programe was it? In theory I agree with you, however without knowing the ins and outs, its hard to say.

I agree with you OP

YANBU in theory.

Everyone should be responsible for deciding whether they can actually afford to have another child. Planned or not.

However there are so many variables in individual situations no one answer can ever be applied.

Errmmmm. Contraception failure. Rare but possible. Or should everyone with unplanned pregnancies abort??!

Ermm. Partners who suddenly leave, cheat or are abusive... what then??

Give everyone a cardboard box eh? Fuck the lot of em.

Fuck the lot of em

I think that ship has already sailed Fairy

If it has been done before, you know what people think, so why ask again?

You have no idea what her situation is.

I know someone in a similar situation, she was raped.

How can you judge someone you know nothing about?

YABU.

I'm terribly sorry she didn't provide all the information you'd have liked, what with her being on TV and not having psychic powers to see into your living room, but you have no idea why there was 'no mention of a father', do you?

Wouldn't you feel shit if he'd died or done a runner on her.

Suggesting someone should abort a pregnancy if they become homeless disgusts me. Where do you stop with that one? Should we just not let people you don't like reproduce?

I think this was on the London BBC news - there was a item about the lack of housing in London and people being kept in B&B's for longer than is legal.

I kind of feel the same as you and i thought the same, there was no mention of a father - i didn't notice she was pregnant though.

There are so many issues involved that lead to young girls getting pregnant raising the children on their own and the tax payer footing the bill.

Until there is a massive change in this country, the education system and the benefits system there are always going to be people like that, it's really sad.

'young girls getting pregnant'.

They don't do it on their own, you know.

Blimey OP what an attitude.

Ever heard of peace, love and goodwill to your fellow man, and not judging another human being, whether they shop in Waitrose or Netto?

You have no idea what her situation is.

I hate to think of a world where there are people out there being as judgey as this towards people who are living one day at a time, or worse.

yes lets force homeless people to have abortions if their partner buggers off or their contreception fails or if they have to move far away and declare themselves homeless because they have left an abusive partner or any other number of reasons that might not meet up to your standards. That should solve everyones problems.

I know they don't LRD but more often that not is them that end up in the B&B's with the babies.

I just think we need more education in schools and we need to empower our young women.

Are you angry at the fathers for apparently not taking their responsibility for having children seriously? Or do they escape your wrath because they aren't around? After all this woman is bringing up her children and they aren't (if that is indeed the situation) so she deserves your anger obviously.

True there hoho, that it's them who end up there.

But I think we need not just to empower young women, but also to keep mentioning their partners in this discussion. Leaving them out of it just implies that it's women's/girls' 'fault'.

Round here (south east, very close to London) everyone I know is in overcrowded, mostly temporary accommodation. Even the most basic flat is beyond a lot of people's means. YABU!!

I think we need to ram home the message to young men that it is not acceptable for them to walk away from their responsilbities, HoHoHokey. But obviously we can't because there aren't actually any repercussions for them doing that.

This is a good example of Daily Fail thinking, unfortunately.

I wasn't implying that in any way LRD of course partners are just as responsible.

I'll be empowering and educating my son to never leave someone he got pregnant in the position of being alone and homeless and struggling too HoHoHo