"There's nothing to eat in this house!" - DS17 complains

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Apparently there is "nothing to eat" and I am "vindicktive" because I won't give DS(17) money for a kebab and I'm "leaving him with no T and in a foul mood". (The swearing and nasty verbal abuse he's given me are evidence of that ).

We have in our cupboards/freezer, right now: pasta (spaghetti, fusilli and macaroni), rice, bread, flour, cereal (tho no milk cos he drank it all), pizza bases, eggs, cheese, tins of beans and tomatoes, veg sausages, veg burgers, onions, courgettes, mushrooms, toms, apples, pears, tinned tuna and sardines... Not to mention the nuts, lentils, chickpeas, etc... And more...

Oh, and I did make tea - a veg/tofu stir-fry with rice - and saved him some although he wasn't home, which he has now eaten...

But he "wants to eat something that doesn't look like it comes out of a rabbit's arse" (i.e. veggie food=rabbit droppings)

He wanted a kebab, bacon, crisps, biscuits, a ready meal... Something junky, basically.

I didn't want to buy him a kebab partly because we have plenty of food in, partly because I think junk food is a waste of money, but largely because he was being rude.

I think he's being unreasonable, probably because he's hungry... But am I also BU not to buy him a kebab? And more generally, AIBU -

• to expect him to make himself something out of what we have in the cupboards?
• not to keep a constant supply of snacks/junk food in the house?
• to expect him to be polite when he asks me for money, even if he's hungry?

Plus, when did his mother become a short order chef?

I do think that individuals needs, likes and dislikes should be taken into account in a household within reason. However, can we please just make it clear that the OPs son demanded she go out and get him a kebab at 1am in the morning.

He didn't offer to write the shopping list, go our shopping or do the cooking. Just so we are clear.

MoreBeta, are you the OP's DS?

One serving of green peas will provide more than a quarter of your daily protein requirements.

he eats meat at college which means he will be getting the full range of metabolised amino acids.

Yes MoreBeta, vegans need to eat a variety of seeds, nuts, beans etc to get ALL the amino acids.
I expect that's why OP's DS was so desparate for a kebab or similar that he couldn't stop himself being very rude to his mum :o

I get it. He wanted meat. Did he:

a) say "Mum, thanks for the stir-fry but I'm still really hungry. Have we got any sausages or anything I could cook?"

b) have a rifle through the freezer and say "hey, mum, I've just found these sausages in the freezer. If I promise to wash up afterwards, could you possibly cook them for me?"

c) Act like a spoilt, petulant prick and throw a sweary tantrum while demanding cash so he could go and get some gristle and entrails with chilli sauce.

I'll give you A Clue: Two of those choices would likely have got him freshly cooked MEAT.

He'd have got an earbashing from me - YOU WILL NOT BE RUDE TO ME.
Then told to make his own food as he was big enough and ugly enough.

well the sausages and burgers were veggie, but perfectly edible covered in ketchup. he could have had meat the following day.

i would love to live in a house where someone gave me meat on demand at 1am. Wowzers. How are you going to get him to leave home .

Morebeta do you get fed meat at 1am on demand?

OK. I'll repeat. He was rude to his Mum and wrong to be like that.

However, the takeaway message (no pun intended) for this episode is he needs to be given a choice over his meals and that needs to be including some meat as likely as not.

I suggest his Mum sits down and talks it through to find out what he would like to eat and also asks him not to be so rude in future.

I've just remembered a thread on here where a 15 year old girl wanted to go veggie and many people said she should be allowed to as long as she helped with a) shopping b) cooking and c) came up with a reasonable budget arrangement.

Double standards much?

Plus, being a meat eater doesn't mean you eat meat and nothing but meat. I eat meat, but I didn't eat any yesterday and won't eat any today. Meat free meals are a perfectly reasonable expectation of anyone.

If he really needed non-vegetable protein, he could have opened the ruddy tuna. Or does it have to be from a cow to count?

There are only two types of men who are vegetarians.

1. those who try it and give up after a while (I know 3 men who did).

2. sandle wearers.

3. my brother who is fit as a whippet, cycles up Canadian mountains for fun and wears Very Complicated Trainers with weird knobbly metal bits underneath.

Remember that thread recently where the vegetarian OP was upset because her DH/DP admitted to eating a steak in their house. Enough said.

Ok. I notice that the "well, he was rude, but he had a point" brigade haven't answered the question asked earlier- if the OP had come one here saying that her husband or partner had called her a bitch because the food available wasn't to his liking, would you all be saying "Well, he was rude, but he was tired and hungry and vegetarian food really isn't enough for a man- why not make sure the's always some steak in the freezer for him?"

there was eggs and cheese. that's animal protein. they aren't vegan/

There is an obvious solution here. OP send your son to live with MoreBeta. He is happy to cook meat-based meals of your son's choice, on demand, at any time of day.

lottie - no thanks. I have a son who vows and declares he is vegetarian when it suits him and then demolishes sausage and burgers at other times.

Yeah but Seeker - he's a teenager.

Me.Caveteen
You.Bitch

Is just fine, of course.

4. Men who know how to spell.

I'm open mouthed at the "men need meat" crowd (well, not literally - that would look stupid). I think they are confusing need with want. By the same token I "need" to eat chocolate and cake at least once a week.

In short OP you are not being ur.

Being a teenager does not excuse rudeness.

The idea of getting takeaways or cooking at 1am because a brat with an inflated opinion of his own importance threw a tantrum is laughable. Whatever his age!

My DH has been a veggie since he was fifteen and is fitter, stronger and healthier than most people. He doesn't wear sandals either.

MoreBeta you usually talk sense. What happened in this instance?

I've had meat and some wine for lunch.

Honestly though in all seriousness. I really think people are underestimating how much teenage blokes need high density protein. Really. Its a need.

The DS in this case did not express that need at all well and was rude but like all teens you sometimes need to take a deep breath and listen to what they are trying to say. No doubt he now regrets what he said but the OP needs to go half way.

MoreBeta. So if the OP's partner fancied a steak and there wasn't one in the freezer, it would be OK for him to call her a bitch. So long as he apologised later, obviously.

I'm hoping Beta is taking the piss because the viewpoint is so ludicrous that I'm struggling to believe anyone really believes it.

I wonder what teenagers in vegetarian/vegan cultures do? Oh yeah, they shut up and eat their tofu!

Come on seeker, the poor little love was just expressing his needs.