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Too feel devastated for the wife of the teacher who has run off to France with his 15 year old pupil?

999 replies

chipsandmushypeas · 23/09/2012 17:55

What on earth went through his head when he decided to do this?! The poor woman has taken all her social networks down out of humiliation I presume. link

Crazy.

OP posts:
Derceto · 23/09/2012 21:34

I agree he is not silly or in love, he is a predatory paedophile. Students aged 15 or 16 may act older but as a teacher you know exactly how old they are, it is not as if you are meeting them in a nightclub.

What strikes me as odd from the DM article is that the alarm was raised when they both did not show up for school, this suggests the school new what was going on or at least had a suspicion. As soon as there was a suspicion he should have been suspended

RubixCube · 23/09/2012 21:35

What about the life of the girl.She is a child.He is a dirty old man who should know matter.

RubixCube · 23/09/2012 21:35

better*

scottishmummy · 23/09/2012 21:36

that's the minimizing I'm on about.how inconvenienced he will be
stupid man,as if it's social faux pas, or stupidly disclosing bank pin number to scammers.
he's double her age,and he procured a relationship with minor.he's expected to know better

RubixCube · 23/09/2012 21:38

His kidnapped her fgs.That is NOT love

piprabbit · 23/09/2012 21:41

Love does not justify doing anything that is morally inexcusable. Using "love" as an excuse or justification does not give people free rein to hurt others or destroy their lives.

SkippyYourFriendEverTrue · 23/09/2012 21:43

You can see she has disappeared from Facebook etc if you google her name it shows up there and all her comments have gone from a public thread. Also she has taken down her professional website (password protected), and deleted her twitter (which formerly featured a picture of her on her eating candy floss on a beach with her husband on her wedding day).

She has been quite thorough. Her flickr site is gone (again I think this would be to stop pics of her + husband appearing in the tabloids), and here 'Kawaii' blog, but still it's difficult to eradicate all of it.

TheCraicDealer · 23/09/2012 21:44

Think this happens in most schools to be honest, just depends how the school deals with it. In mine there was a pupil in upper sixth carrying on with an RE teacher, but the pupil swore nothing happened between them until after she left so he got a slap in the wrist and told he'd be out if he did it again. Did anyone see that story on the DM in the news about the married deputy headmaster who met a pupil on Grindr and subsequently started an affair, meeting up in the attics? That's another level there.

RubyFakeNails · 23/09/2012 21:44

While I pity his wife, I have more sympathy for the girls parents.

I've known about 5 teachers or tutors who have ended up with former pupils for partners. I guess at least all the ones I know waited until it was legal.

When I was about 15 I slept with a sort of teaching assistant, luckily I didn't think I was in love.

catwoo · 23/09/2012 21:44

Poor parents.How would you feel if someone in a position of trust over your precious child, abused it like this.They must be beside themselves.
Even if this guy was besotted by the girl, then he has to push these feelings aside and act professionally.

RubixCube · 23/09/2012 21:45

Gosh young girls do silly things when younger.I know i did.I thought i was in love with loads of people when i was younger and as i grow up i realise they were just silly crushes.That disgusting man has taken advantage of a silly school girl crush.Vile man

FreudiansGoldSlipper · 23/09/2012 21:47

Sorry MrsUsainBolt judging you on my often not reading whole thread before I reply. Yes the silly/stupid man what was he thinking totally undermines what he has actually done

AnnieLobeseder · 23/09/2012 21:47

WTF? Yes, some sympathy for the wife but what about the poor child who is being kidnapped and abused by an adult. Because that is what it amounts to.

RubixCube · 23/09/2012 21:53

We don't even know if the girl was 15 when it all started either.

nooka · 23/09/2012 22:58

If he was her teacher then he knew perfectly well how old she was regardless of whether she 'appeared' to be more mature (personally I think this is complete bunkum and victim blaming to boot). Besides the fact that the man in question is 30 and should not even be interested in a fifteen year old.

All teachers will know that taking any sexual interest in a student is totally and utterly beyond the boundaries as it should be. Plus if sex is involved then she is under the age of consent and as well as being barred from ever working as a teacher again he could well be up on rape/sexual assault charges.

nooka · 23/09/2012 22:59

Sorry. Wrote that ages ago, lots of posts since then.

SkippyYourFriendEverTrue · 23/09/2012 23:02

I don't think it's rape with a 15 year old.

There is however a specific offence relating to teachers and students aged up to 17, so there would be that as well as the general unlawful sex offence.

GoldShip · 23/09/2012 23:03

The age of consent is 16 so how is it not rape?

SkippyYourFriendEverTrue · 23/09/2012 23:08

There's no 'age of consent' as such.

It's legal to have sex with a girl aged 13-15 if you are aged under 23, and you believed she was 16 or over.

Her consent is recognised in that case.

In this case it would be 'unlawful sexual intercourse'.

If she is 12 or less, she cannot consent and it's a strict liability.

MrSunshine · 23/09/2012 23:13

It's legal to have sex with a girl aged 13-15 if you are aged under 23, and you believed she was 16 or over.

That isn't remotely true. Hmm

EldritchCleavage · 23/09/2012 23:16

Bear in mind the law was changed so it is illegal for teacher or carer to have a relationship with a child or young person in their care even if the young person is 18. That she is younger makes it worse, but he knew full well all pupils of his were completely out of bounds relationship-wise.

GoldShip · 23/09/2012 23:18

Skippy where do you live? Confused

That isn't true for the UK

GoldShip · 23/09/2012 23:19

The age of consent is 16. That means you cannot consent to sex before that. So before this age it is non consensual and therefore illegal, and rape.

DilysPrice · 23/09/2012 23:41

Not exactly Goldship - if the girl "consented" then the specific crime is now Unlawful Sexual Intercourse. The law is in fact now more or less as Skippy describes - there is a very specific defence available to young men who reasonably believe that a girl is over 16, but that is not available if she is in fact under 13.

DitaVonCheese · 23/09/2012 23:42

Age of consent (from the Beeb - bit random but there you go). It's 16 plus

"So, once you're 16 it's OK to have sex?

It's legal, except with someone who's in a 'position of trust' over us. This includes teachers, carers and doctors, who we trust to look after us. It's illegal for them to have sex with under-18s in their care."

Even if you were right, Skippy, he's over 23 Confused