Too feel devastated for the wife of the teacher who has run off to France with his 15 year old pupil?

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What on earth went through his head when he decided to do this?! The poor woman has taken all her social networks down out of humiliation I presume. link

Crazy.

I think I don't view this in terms of grooming and predation because of the element of propinquity. It's more like a grotesque parody of an elopement. We do not know if he has been trawling on the Internet for random girls. We do not know if she would have left the country with someone she had met on line.

Don't misunderstand me, I think the teacher is totally and utterly in the wrong. And unless he is a very new teacher, he's been dealing with teenagers for years. But we simply do not have enough information to know if he was deliberately seeking to dupe and coerce, generally perving until someone was interested, or if the believed (utterly wrongly but genuinely) that she (and luurve) was worth it.

The police may be withholding information until she is in a place of safety (which accounts for the more general first appeal). Perhaps then more information will be released on motivations.

I'm not surprised the mother has taken down public information on family, friends and locations. I knew a family touched by a major crime, and it was surprising and shocking how they were targeted (hate mail and damage to their house mainly) and for how long it continued after the event.

I agree with sara. And as much as I sympathoise for the wife who must be devastated to realise she has married a nonce, my real sympathies lie with the 15 year old girl, this is something which will be horrifically difficult for her to move on from.

He is disgusting and has abused his position of power. What kind of teacher looks at one of their pupils and 'falls in love'.

Ohnomyfoot - what is the alternative? Are you suggesting this is a genuine case of true love?!

She is a child he was her teacher. He has abused her trust.

Just because it happens doesn't make it ok

Frankly frahilda I don't (to coin an MN phrase) give a shiny shit if he thought he was in love, anyone who pursues a relationship with a child half their age is a a pedophile (and I am usually the last person to shout pedophile on these boards).

At the very least (and at best) he has coerced her in to believing they have done sort of future together and that running away is the "right" thing. At worst his motives are far darker.

Suggesting propinquity means it is some how more acceptable is ludicrous - would you suggest the same about a step father who ran off with their underage step daughter?!

He is wrong. Just him.

Whatever his reasons, his motives, he knows this girl is 15 years old.

That is where it should have stopped. She's 15.

Just to add, I feel terrible for the girl, the parents and everyone involved, just wasn't enough space in the title!

I agree with Sara too, it is grooming, she's 15 ffs.

He isn't actually a paedophile though, since that means specifically pre-pubescent children. She's 15. He's a sick stupid twisted fucker, but he isn't a paedophile.
The terminology matters.

Hmm.

Terminology matters?

She's still under age.

I hope he comes to his senses and delivers her back safely and faces up to what he's done. I hope she is ok :( if it escalates, who knows what will happen to her.

Yes terminology does matter. My guess would be that she is a physically sexually mature female. Attraction to young physically adult females does not make you a paedophile. Of course what he has done is wrong but it's not pedophilia. The most concerning aspect is the fact he was her teacher. In many other "civilised" " western" countries the age of consent is lower, the fact it is 16 purely a social construct.

londonone how the hell do ou know she is physically mature i guess you want to belive that because it makes you feel better

I began puberty at. 9 had massive boobs by 11 and looked like i was about 14/15 so what your saying is any man who wanted to have sex with me was not a pedo WTF

MrSunshine we shall she of you still think that of some 35 runs off with your child

My mates sister looks about 12 she is 18 thank god and you would not belive the amount of men that try it with her thinking she is very young The whole thing is awful and no wonder he thinks this is the correct thing to do when he cleary has suppoters even on here amougst people who have children themselves jesus wept

Not only has he had sex with a minor and got knows what else he has got her into

He abused the teacher and pupil relationship

He has crossed borders with a minor

I just hope she is not pregant

He has most likey put paid to ever seeing his own children

Talk about wilfully misunderstanding. No I didnt say it was ok I said it wasn't paedophilia, which it isn't. If you have problems understanding he difference that is your problem. I also said it was my guess, based on the fact that these days the vast majority of girls go through puberty before the age of fifteen.

Those who are trying it on wih the 18 year old who looks twelve are more likely to b paedophiles

Yes, she is underage. It's a bad enough situation already, it doesn't need any hyperbole (like paedophile) to make it more dramatic. It's dramatic enough.

And no one on here has supported what he has done.

Fishwife, make sure you understand comments before you rant about them. you don't make any sense.

I'm wondering if the posters minimising this and saying "it's love" and querying the age of consent thing actually have 15/16 year old DD's.

My niece is 16. The thought of a man twice her age that she and her family should of been able to trust doing this makes mefeel sick.

Yes she is full grown physically but she is still a child. It's not paedophilia but it's still wrong. Very fucking wrong.

Fishwife, do you consider Germany, france! Italy and Spain all to be havens for paedophiles, what with there ages f consent ranging from 13 to. 15?

londonone i wonder how a girl in a shirt, tie and school blazer giggling with her mates looks sexually mature yuk

Fishwife, again, you do not understand. "physically sexually mature" has a specific meaning, which you have not grasped.

Fishwife engage brain.

Yes it is not strictly paedophilia, however it is a revolting abuse of his position of power and still heinously wrong.

Yes the age of consent is a social construct, however it has been in place for generations. And as a teacher it is hideously wrong and abusive to manipulate on of your students in this way. But not a peadophile no, but he is disgusting and should be dealt with severely nonetheless.

Are there extra punishments available due to the position of power angle? Considering that is singled out for a higher age of consent, there should be, but I don't know if there are?

I don't think anyone is saying its love are they? Getorf thank you that is exactly what I was saying

I thought I saw someone mention something about love upthread. tbf I've only had 2 cups of tea so far this morning so I could be wrong..

No doubt that's what they'll be spouting when/if they return.