To think that these T-shirts are disgusting?

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Whatever you may think of her, this is hardly in good taste is it? It just makes the unions look bad to have this sort of thing on sale at their conference. Can you imagine the CBI having T-shirts looking forward to the deaths of Tony Benn, or Shirley Williams, on sale at their conference?

gordy 'why would I morn her?'

No-one is expecting you to. Hate her to your hearts content. That is very different to wearing a T shirt celebrating her death.

Well done, gordy. Pinochet makes my top ten. I'm, now too stressed by this thread and am playing Top Ten Reasons to Hate Thatcher Bingo. So far we have Pinochet, homelessness, Poll Tax, I mentioned Stop and Search... I will go back through the thread and play.

outraged - let me start again
in the seventies the unions held the country to ransom in particular the miners. we ended up having major power cuts in winter and people working a three day week. this brought down the tory, heath government.
in 1978/9 another strike occurred where the binmen didn't collect the rubbish, the street were full of rubbish, dead bodies unburied etc.
when the tories came in they brought in legistlation to break the unions. the year before the miners strike they brought an american in to close down the steel industry, which he did. he was then transferred to close down the mines. there may have been an economic reason for rationalising the mining industry but the closures were used by the government and the unions to have a showdown.
the strike went on for about a year with the miners being defeated. the government used the police to abuse and attack the miners. they shipped them in from London and other cities to beat them up and paid the police fantastic wages and overtime, so they had a really good time.

I'll not be buying the t shirt. But I sure as hell won't be mourning her.

Thanks again. I think the crossed out part of your post is very relevant, what else is a Pm supposed to do except involve the police when there are riots going on?

I don't get the free milk thing being such a big deal. It was horrible stuff that was uneccesary and contrary to what is considered healthy for children nowadays anyway. I don't think the government has any reason to provide milk or fruit for free tbh, that's the parents job!

I remember the hospitals being very poor, and I can remember how much better they seemed to get when labour came into power, but they still were, and are, a long way from perfect.

Creighton - most of that is tory election propaganda from the 1990's

there where not dead bodies lying everywhere rotting you know

economic hardship - tory solution - cap the wages of poor workers while fuel and basics foods sky rocket in price ...and expect the people representing those workers ...and the workers to do nothing about it - while the richest suffer the least - sound familiar - look how that turned out

outraged - there weren't any riots until the police got there. they waved their wage packets in the miners faces and tried to provoke them so they could attack them. as i said they shipped the police in from all over the country.
the police weren't in danger, they were the danger, an arm of the state attacking the citizens. they should have been ashamed of themselves.

Cross posted Creighton.

Thanks for that. That's roughly how I understood it to be. The hatred of MT seems to be sour grapes at losing the battle to me tbh.

Why is it a bad thing that she used the police to do their job and then paid them properly for what they had to do?

Oh, ok, I didn't know that. Cross posted again!

So then MT took measures to stop the unions destroying the country then?

gordy, it is not propaganda, the streets were filthy, this was the late 70s not 90s propaganda. strikes were called when the country was in economic dire straits ( how familiar). i am not a tory voter, i would rather gnaw my arm off than vote for them, but that is the truth.

But why are people talking about her demise? Why the t-shirts? I ask again, is the old dear on her lest legs or are people just randomly discussing her death for no reason other than for fun?

Disclaimer - I no longer find Frankie Boyle funny in the slightest, he has definitely lost the plot and his "jokes" are anything but funny....however I remember this joke on Mock the Week

"The government are considering spending £3million on a state funeral for Margaret Thatcher when she dies. For £3million they could buy everyone in Scotland a shovel, and we'll dig a hole deep enough to deliver her to Satan ourselves."

they weren't destroying the country, they were trying (at the time of the miners strike) to protect their jobs and communities. if the mines closed their towns would die, which is exactly what happened.

because they wanted to privatise nation industries and sell them off to the highest bidders (their friends and colleagues lol )

Break the unions, sell off the decent stuff, leave the county in economic shit with mass unemployment ...do the same again 20+ years later

it's not sour grapes - I worked with the unemployed of Liverpool - I saw the utter poverty and heartbreak her government caused

and I lost family at Hillsborough

They'd sell well around these parts (oop North).

Twatcher ruined many, many lives and therefore I highly doubt hers will be mourned.

I remember the late 70's you know! I was there - it was strike action - perfectly legitimate and it was not as bad as they now make out

Can anyone imagine how much it would have cost us to keep the mines open for the past 30 years? Not to mention the car plants, steelworks etc? It was throwing good money after bad. No-one wanted to buy what they were making, which is why they needed such massive subsidies. The coal will still be there in 50 or 100 years by which time it will be far more valuable.

no more than subsidising the trash in the banks. anyway, they could have closed the mines in some kind of rolling programme.

Yes god forbid we should be a country that actually manufactures goods

Thatcher of course got the boot from her own Party as she was a liability.

Yes... Car plants...

those fuckers at Nissan, making cars
In the north east and shit

Who are they kidding

Throwing good money after bad - this was more or less what they were saying when they were talking privately about the 'damaged decline' of Liverpool after the Toxteth riots. They were talking about a major city. How could they have talked seriously about that? It's totally outrageous.

I promised myself I wouldn't get into this.

yes - I mean it's not like any cars get made in the UK anymore ...oh no hang on - foreign companies took them over and now they make money...Land Rover anyone?

If the unions had not been defeated in the 1980s, do you think Nissan, Toyota etc would have opened up plants here?

Green

haven't you got a cabinet meeting in the morning