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Aibu re childcare comments

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sleepdodger · 01/09/2012 01:17

Im RL and on here alot recently I've been met with gasps when people digest I work ft and then realize DS 17mo is in ft nursery for about 50hrs a week
Do people not realize what full time hours mean?
Why do people assume its ok to question 'couldn't you do pt' etc - presumably no they can't afford it or choose not to...
Often then followed by 'is he (DS) ok there' in hushed tone
Then followed by 'no family able to help?'
It's not been mentioned much until now, he's been in nursery since 10mo but it's starting to get to me a bit :-(

OP posts:
EasilyBored · 02/09/2012 12:59

So now nursery is an 'institution'?

Nice.

WhatYouLookingAt · 02/09/2012 13:02

Save your "desperate sadness" for children who don't have loving parents or enough money for nursery (or food).

Better still, keep your beak out of other peoples lives and focus on your own precious moments in your own institution.

BonnieBumble · 02/09/2012 13:04

Very good post Janey.

BlingBubbles · 02/09/2012 13:13

Blacktie, oh please, you feel desperately sad for children in nurseries. Well I feel desperately sad for children who stay home all day with parents who can't be bothered with them, sit them in front of the tv and never take them out!!!

As numerous posters have already said you do what's best for your family, nursery, childminders, staying at home whatever is best. Some people have the option of staying at home while others don't, and I dont think calling nurseries an institution is helping anybody.

autumnlights12 · 02/09/2012 13:16

I think Happy Parent=Happy Baby is the most untrue phrase lobbed around whenever this debate rears its head. It is utter rubbish.
There are Mums who leave their babies home alone whilst they go out drinking. I'm sure they're happy. Not so sure their babies are. There are Dads who bugger off and never see their kids again after divorce. I'm sure they're happy enjoying their freedom. Not so sure their kids are. I doubt there are any babies and toddlers (with good, safe home lives) who would not rather be in their own home with their own parents than in a nursery for 50 hrs a week. This fact may irk, but it's undoubtedly true. The fact that breast is best annoys some people who fomula feed. It doesn't make formula as good as breast milk. These debates always result in posters somehow trying to prove that nurseries are not just as good, but better, than being in their own home, with their Mother or Father.
The fact is, nobody else's opinion matters really.
Mumsnet is the absolute worst place to solicit opinions on a subject like this.
You'll always get the sneery comments from the WOHM's telling you to put yourself and your career first, that work is essential for your self esteem, a good example to your kids etc, being at home would leave them brain dead and waste their education etc. etc.
Then you'll get the sneery comments from the SAHMs telling you to put your child first, that you wont get those years back, those important moments, whilst working like a dog for some ungrateful boss.
It's almost impossible to get an objective opinion.
My opinion is that you should stay at home if you want to, and can afford it. I don't know anyone who has done that and regretted it. They were the best years of my life, no question. But that's only my opinion, and shouldn't influence your decision.

scottishmummy · 02/09/2012 13:23

ah yes the ole why have em comment.priceless.really
genuine sadness should be reserved for kids who suffer emotional and physical neglect. those who live in choatic and fraught environments
not loved and regarded children who happen to attend nursery

Lonecatwithkitten · 02/09/2012 13:31

What it comes down is that children do best with happy and fulfilled parents. If that is staying home with your children great. If that is going back to work and them going to childcare then great too.
I really think anyone to judges someone else's decision about whether to stay home or not is not considering that we are all different as are our children and the combination that is best for one family is not necessarily right for another family.
As I said earlier I made what many may have thought was a wrong decision when DD was a baby, but it is paying dividends now. Not only to get to spend more time with her now she really needs me, but I don't need to take a penny from her feckless father.

scottishmummy · 02/09/2012 13:35

op you need to practise the face the one you will need to keep straight
as the precious moments mamas regale you with sob stories of institutions
and some spurious research from shitsvill uni about how neglected your child is

autumnlights12 · 02/09/2012 13:43

what about the endlessly repeated stories of fat, depressed,stepford housewifies scrubbing the doorstep whilst flushing their education down the drain and having no financial independence, shoving their kids in front of the telly all day?
Don't make me laugh.
That argument works both ways, you know.
That's why Mumsnet is the worst place to get advice on this sort of subject. You'll get the scottishmummies, the Blingbubbles and the Janeys telling you one thing and the stay at home ones telling you something entirely different. And then you'll get the head bangingly annoying mantra of 'happy mummy=happy baby' until the cows come home. It's just too fucking confusing.

BlingBubbles · 02/09/2012 13:47

Autumnlights12, I am by no means saying one is better than the other, I just didn't think calling a nursery an "institution" was very called for!

The OP and mothers in fact should do what they think is best and should ignore people from both sides saying their choice is wrong.

I have made my choice and am very happy with it, regardless of what anyone in RL or on here says Grin

scottishmummy · 02/09/2012 13:50

make your own points and stop namechecking everyone else to embellish your pov
i havent called anyone fat.dont associate me with your made up blahdiblah
and yes im good at the face, as i steadfastly ignore the precious moments crew

higgle · 02/09/2012 13:52

I don't look around me and see people whose lives have been ruined by their parents goint to work. I do look around me and see people who have suffered as a result of having families where no one goes to work.

WhatYouLookingAt · 02/09/2012 13:54

Its not remotely confusing. Do what you fucking like in your own family isn't that hard to grasp, surely?

scottishmummy · 02/09/2012 13:57

there's nothing remotely confusing about any of this.at all
we all do what we believe is right for our circumstances
and others well they can like it or lump it. and plenty will opine but hey do the face

AgentZigzag · 02/09/2012 14:11

But if you're not sure what will be right for you and have come on MN to get some perspective, autumn is saying you'll be as confused as fuck and wish you'd never asked SM.

scottishmummy · 02/09/2012 14:14

frankly i wouldn't entrust a significant decision to mn masses.no way
pragmatically you weigh up pro/cons, look at finances and preferences
its not confusing.its maybe mildly perplexing if you listen to a bunch of strangers on-line

Guitargirl · 02/09/2012 14:19

I returned to work when our first child was 9 months old. We could have just about afforded for me to return 4 days a week but after listening to the experience of friends who did that and ended up basically working 5 days but being paid for 4, I could see that happening very easily in my job so negotiated a flexible working week where I work at least 2 days a week from home and 3 days in the office. That means I work a lot at night after the DCs have gone to bed. I work more hours probably than my contract but my job is so flexible, I kind of feel as though I 'owe' them more hours as they have been extremely flexible with the hours I work. As long as I meet the deadlines it doesn't really matter what time of day I am working iykwim.

Anyway, DP also works flexible hours which means that when I returned to work after DC1, we had a childminder who minded DC1 for 3 mornings a week from 8am - 12 and the rest of the time we split the childcare between us. From our antenatal class, I was the last mum who returned to work which meant that the other 6 babies in the group were all in childcare starting from 5 months onwards. 5 out of those 6 babies were placed in the same nursery for full-time care from 8am - 6:30 5 days a week. It is an extremely expensive nursery, I am talking 3,000 a month for 2 siblings, where the children learn lacrosse and have French lessons. There is no way we could have afforded it even if we wanted to or needed the hours which we didn't. We were quite happy with our 3 mornings a week childminder, where DD was with a little boy the same age as her. BUT whenever the group met up, the others always talked about how satisfied they were that they were 'getting the best childcare money could buy'. I would often come home feeling a bit deflated. DP and I went to the nursery one day as we were attending a First Aid course which happened to be held there. We saw all the photos of the other antenatal toddlers together in the same 'class' and even DP (who would never normally feel bothered about stuff like that) said he felt as though DD was missing out on something!

Fast forward a few years and I know now that we did the best we could for our DC, as did those other parents. The DCs are all at school now and the same pattern has continued. Ours go to the local primary school. Our antenatal contemporaries go to private schools where they are in after-school clubs every day and holiday clubs. It's just a totally different lifestyle. When I'm making breakfast in the morning at 7am and the DCs are either still asleep or just getting out of bed, I see one of our antenatal friends running down the road to get her second baby to said nursery, usually shouting to her DC1 who is trailing behind in her very smart uniform, travelling to her private school the other side of London. BUT, I am also convinced that they would never want a life like ours either and I am sure that they congratulate themselves that their children are going to good private schools. What, I am trying to say is everyone is different and most people want the best for their children. But people's ideas of what is 'best' will differ. Just as well too, otherwise the waiting list for everything would be huge!

autumnlights12 · 02/09/2012 14:19

thanks for understanding what I was saying AgentZigZag. Another reason to avoid asking questions like this on Mumsnet- the posters who deliberately misunderstand what you are saying. It happens every day on Mumsnet.

WhatYouLookingAt · 02/09/2012 14:20

Pretty stupid idea to ask thousands of people who know nothing about you or your circumstances, who all have disparate, conflicting and often downright offensive opinions, on a matter so important and so personal.

AgentZigzag · 02/09/2012 14:21

You might not find MN helpful in coming to a conclusion with something you're not sure about SM, but plenty of others do.

It doesn't mean you're leaving the decision purely to The Vipers, but getting advice from a set of people with wide ranging experiences and opinions is a unique and valuable source - especially if you're making the decision in isolation and don't have anyone else to ask.

scottishmummy · 02/09/2012 14:23

autumn given you've already erroneously paraphrased posts
i fear its you who has deliberately misunderstand
posters disagreeing with you isnt them deliberately misunderstanding.

autumnlights12 · 02/09/2012 14:25

that's what I think too, WhatYouLookingAt. There's no such thing as an objective opinion here. Opinion is coloured by experience, prejudice and money.
The most objective opinion you'll ever get on this subject is the opinion of someone who has the real choice to stay at home or go to work. If you have no choice because childcare costs are too high, or because your husband wants you to work full time like he does, or you have to work full time or the house gets reposessed, it's hard not to agressively justify your decision, at some point of your life. It's called guilt. We all feel it at different times in our lives.

scottishmummy · 02/09/2012 14:29

no.ive never felt guilty about my childcare arrangements
assumption of maternal guilt its flawed and lazy
i work ft, nursery ft from 6mth old.i had it all planned and booked at 12wk pg

AgentZigzag · 02/09/2012 14:35

Nothing flawed or lazy about examining the guilt you feel for the choices you've made for your children SM, I would say it's pretty good to look at why you might not feel happy with that decision and find a compromise.

Not everyone's as happy as you seem to be about the possibly restricted choices they have in their lives.

scottishmummy · 02/09/2012 14:38

lazy and flawed is assumption of maternal guilt
i have never felt guilty about parenting choices ive made
its not a given or automatic that mums experience guilt.is a stereotype yes.automatic no