...to think this 'Chav' board game is inappropriate & unpleasant?

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Chav

I think it's an unwelcome normalisation of an offensive term. Don't like it at all.

Sock - body modification, arty things, alternative clothing shops, rollersnakes, rock clubs.. All things chavs used to hang around terrorising in their free time when I was a kid.

What are rollersnakes?>

As for goth names, my first boyfriend and I were constantly asked if we would be naming any children damien, lucifer, morticia. Exactly the same as chavs get the piss taken out of them with things like Vicky Pollard.

Its just that goths in general don't make complete arseholes of themselves by behaving like animals so people don't notice so much.

Ask most people who identify as a goth and you'll find they get a lot worse than a few people calling them a goth..

I want a rollersnake!

Rollersnakes is a skate place my friends used to go to. Do they not have them everywhere? I never went because I can't skate to save my life.

So you like to put everyone in a nice little box do you?

Oh, shame. I thought a rollersnake was a funky pet, half slitherer, half wheeled. Imagine it with a big reptilian smiley face.

Everyone puts people in boxes. It's human nature. If you walked down the road and saw a couple of toothless 18 year olds with dangerous dogs, wearing a certain type of clothes and making loads of noise, drinking, spitting and generally making a bloody mess would you think"oh how jolly, I can now prove I don't judge" or would you cross the road?

My DS was an emo kid he still got called a chav for living on an estate though.

Work that one out.

Because I know people who come across as like that and they can be noisy and forget where they are but they are decent kids. If I didn't know them, I would run in the other direction though.

I've seen plenty of threads where baby names are described as Goth, maybe not as many as described as Chav, but that's likely to be because Gothy names are much less popular which is a shame.

The problem with the term Chav is that so many people use it for so many different reasons. I know when I first heard it used (a long long time ago) it was only in reference to style of dress, over time the media got a hold of it and it became used to refer to more than just a style of dress.

I agree with TheQueen that there are worse things than being called a Chav.

Also, I know plenty of people who self identify as Chavs, they find it amusing. Possibly because they are aware that to lose the label all they'd have to do is change what they wear. Used to hang around with a hell of a mixed group, Goths, Punks, Indie kids, Chavs; we made a bizarre sight! And we all knew that it was nothing more than a description of how we looked, and therefore not a big deal.

ofcourse there are people who behave very badly and have no respect for others.

jmho but perhaps with the towie/footballer/singer people being called chav its because they are trying to buy class perhaps its also used to describe the modern equilivilent of 'new money' .

kayano so two names out of all the names you could think of are goth how many chav ones could you come up with?

and i still want to know what a goth/emo ect job is

If I thought it was used just to describe a style of dress I wouldn't have a problem with it.

But anyone who thinks it hasn't got a deeper meaning is a bit naive.

My goth friends run a reptile rescue and shop and think it's funny they are the archetypal bloody snake people. they threaten to open a hairdressers next.

Usual - You asked me a question and i answered it. I never identified with a particular group, this is how other people identify and describe themselves. I never had any trouble from people who i would describe as chavs, mainly because i'd stand up to them, but the things i've witnessed.. truly frightening.

You're defending a group of people who regularly make peoples lives hell over one fucking name. Everyone gets labelled somewhere. Just most people are mature enough to not care weather the woman down the street thinks they are a goth, or thinks they are 'going through a phase' or is wringing her hands because she thinks they might be devil worshippers.

But you can say that about any word. I spent my childhood being bullied for being posher than the kids in my village. they used to call me gosho the posho and I used to lie awake at night wishing I had a different family to the point I wished some terrible things. We weren't rich or anything, just a bit arty farty and had left London to live in the country long before it became the bodeny family thing to do. We also used to get called names for the clothes we wore, the car we had etc.

If you really think that only people who are truly 'Chav' are described as such, then nothing I can say will change your mind.

"and i still want to know what a goth/emo ect job is"

Gravedigger, Funeral Director, Bat keeper, Mortician, curator at an Edgar Allen Poe museum..

if sombody gets insulted/assulted because they are a goth thats wrong as well. but would you ever get called a goth/emo solely based on the job your parents had or didnt have or the area you lived in?

*My DS was an emo kid he still got called a chav for living on an estate though.

Work that one out.*

I did point out that the word chav seems to have developed different meanings depending upon area. Where i'm from where you live, employment status or class makes no different. If you dress like a thug [by which i mean, in a way to conceal your identity for purposes of intimidating people], and act like an animal then you are a chav. As i said, the queen of england herself could do this and i'd call her a chav.

Maybe the people who called it him are just thick though.

In fact, you could say the same about words such as Boden becoming a way of stereotyping a certain (highly irritating) type of person.

It isn't naive not to really worry too much about how other people interpret words.

Sockning - No, But you wouldn't get called a chav based on that where i'm from either.

"But anyone who thinks it hasn't got a deeper meaning is a bit naive."

Depends who is using it.

I know when I talk about Goths I'm referring to the style of dress and taste in music. But I've known a fair few people who have been using the word "Goth" to mean something far nastier. Eg. the teacher at my old school who did an assembly on "Goths" being to blame for stuff like the Columbine Massacre.

Just because some people use it to mean something negative doesn't mean all people do

If you really think that only people who are truly 'Chav' are described as such, then nothing I can say will change your mind.

Please point out where exactly i said this. I have pointed out multiple times that i am talking about my OWN experiences, where I AM FROM. I acknowledged that there seem to be different meanings around. But where i am from you only get called a chav if you are one. Please learn to read properly.

"No, But you wouldn't get called a chav based on that where i'm from either."

That. Exactly.