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AIBU?

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to be on the verge of breaking up my family because of lack of sex?

135 replies

Namechangedthistime · 07/08/2012 05:42

It's 6 years since we last DTD or had any intimate physical contact, including kissing, many more years since the decline started. The marriage is bearable but dull and unfulfilling apart from that. Two DC under 10. I crave intimacy, DW doesn't seem bothered at all by the lack and I'm 99% sure she could never get any desire for me. Starting counselling next week.

I want to stay at home with my kids but there's this massive, gaping hole in my life where intimacy should be that's just full of sadness, resentment and rejection.

AIBU?

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namechangedthistime · 09/08/2012 09:50

I agree with janey68 on that one.

fluffyraggies - I've told her many times that I'd love for her to find someone she was better suited to and who could bring her joy.

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solidgoldbrass · 09/08/2012 09:57

OP: How did she react to that?

I'm wondering if she wants the relationship to continue as it is (no sex, you to stop asking for it) indefinitely, or if she is as miserable as you are and the only thing keeping you together is fear of change.

MrsBucketxx · 09/08/2012 10:06

is dw just scared of being on her own?

treadheavily · 09/08/2012 11:13

OP what a sad situation. I feel for you. Can only think of suggesting this
www.gettingtheloveyouwant.co.uk
It is apparently the way to revamp relationships.

Failing that I would find it completely understandable if you & your wife separated and you were able to be yourself, sex drive and all.

All the best.

namechangedthistime · 09/08/2012 14:12

SGB she says she's not particularly bothered about that. I don't think that's very healthy.

I don't know if she's scared of being alone exactly, just having to shoulder the childcare alone (i.e. when it's her turn). She'd miss me, and I'd miss her. She's also very frustrated by me being undecided, which is fair enough. I know that I need to piss or get off the pot, which is why I pushed for counselling sooner rather than later.

I'll have a look at that, treadheavily - for now we just need to get into some professional talking session though.

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GetOrfMoiRing · 09/08/2012 14:23

This thread makes very sad reading and I am very sorry OP that you are in such a situation.

I have just ended a relationship for a similar reason - there were lots of other things but the main one was the lack of sex and the complete refusal to talk about it or go to counselling because it made him feel less than a man.

I didn't want to split up, I loved him very much but it had gone on too long. I was getting mired in bitterness and disappointment. My dd is gutted by it. But if I stay we will end up hating each other - I resented him and he started to dislike me because I wouldn't just 'leave' it.

It is very damaging - I haven't had any intimacy or affection for such a long time it seems absolutely abnormal. I can't imagine holding someone's hand for instance, let alone kissing or sex. It seems absurd. I think the lack of sex for so long has switched off something in me both physically and mentally.

Yet I would love to have that kind of normal interaction back in my life. I just feel so ugly and revolting - the person I loved the most and who was supposed to be my life partner flinched away from me and cringed if I ever mentioned or instigated sex or any kind of affection. It's bloody horrible.

To be honest I wish I had left DP years ago, and not wasted all those years tip toeing around him. Yes he was depressed (his lack of libido coincided with a very stressful time for him at work) but he never, ever did anything about it. He was not prepared to discuss it. I wish I knew years ago that if I stayed I would be wasting years of my life on nothing.

bubalou · 09/08/2012 14:32

I haven't read all the above messages but in my opinion - yanbu!

Affection, hugs, hand holding, sex! They are all a big part of your marriage. Of course it's not right to 'jump ship' if u hit a bump in the road & the sex life cools off a little - but 6 years!?!

You owe it to yourself & your children to be happy. It's cheesy but you only live once. You deserve to be happy & I'm sure there is a woman out there for you Wink

TapirBackRider · 09/08/2012 14:52

YANBU - I've been in a similar situation and it kills a little bit of you every day.

As the above poster states, you owe it to yourself and your dcs to be happy.

namechangedthistime · 09/08/2012 15:40

Getorfmoiring - you've pretty much summed me up there. How long have you been out of the relationship, if you don't mind me asking?

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GetOrfMoiRing · 09/08/2012 15:49

About 6 weeks. Hence the bitterness! It has been horrible to be honest, we are tied up toegther financially (own some houses, one abroad) and sorting that out is a nightmare.

I only told dd a short while ago and she is very, very upset, but she has lived with us getting progressively more bitter and angry and she recognises that we are not happy.

XP didn't want us to split up, he promised he would do somnething about it but after several years of gradually worsening unhappiness i couldn't rely on him actually doing something.

I just feel very bitter about it all to be honest and wish I wasn't, I don't like being this person.

It is not 100% his fault, he is not a bad person and hasn't meant to harm - but essentially I do resent the wasted years.

I wish you luck in making a decision - that was the hardest thing for me. I started my first thread on MN about it well over a year ago, and have prevaricated for a lot longer than that. You will I expect get to a point where things seem irretreivable. Good luck with it all, MN has been a great help for me.

carernotasaint · 09/08/2012 15:58

Get ORf i just wanted to say that i understand why you feel bitter. I think part of the reason that our spouses dont want to split is partly because of the status and security of being married.
i understand how you feel.

carernotasaint · 09/08/2012 17:09

Apologies for the fact that its the Daily Fail. Theres a few mysogynistic comments underneath but other commenters are totally calling them on it.

pumpkinsweetie · 09/08/2012 17:12

Yanbu op-eventually his disinterest in you will break you as a person.
6 years is a very long time with no intimacy
Sometimes a broken relationship is worse for the children than being apart iyswim.

solidgoldbrass · 09/08/2012 22:54

It really is OK to leave a relationship like this. It's not doing either partner any good. Being single might be lonely at times and you might not get much sex as a single person but you have the option of looking for sex, affection, a new relationship. If you are in an officially-sanctioned relationship with someone who is not interested in any kind of intimacy with you and is basically content to keep you as an income generator or domestic servant, that's utterly miserable and very unfair.

namechangedthistime · 09/08/2012 23:33

Getorf - you really do sound scarily similar to me. Our financial affairs aren't complex (although I do wonder how we'd cope), but there's the house and potentially another property if we separate. How old's DD?

I can see why you're bitter but as with me, it seems as if there was no malice involved, it just grew that way?

Carer - how do the Mail manage to make any issue so deeply offensive to any reader? Grin

Pumpkin - I know. It's the doing that's hard though.

SGB - you're right about it not doing anyone any good, but I do take issue about me being treated as a cash generator or domestic servant. That just isn't how it is, and it's offensive to a woman who's in a situation that she never planned and can't see a happy way out of.

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carernotasaint · 09/08/2012 23:39

I dont think the Mail actually like anyone but they seem to REALLY hate women and disabled people.

namechangedthistime · 09/08/2012 23:41

'Fear and Loathing in Middle England', I call it.

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JugglingWithFiveRings · 09/08/2012 23:59

You're all making me laugh about the DM though - which has to be good Grin

namechangedthistime · 10/08/2012 00:04

I was interested to see how being in a sexless marriage was going to affect house prices but they didn't seem to get that far Grin

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treadheavily · 10/08/2012 01:34

OP - that link I gave you is talking therapy but way more focused and intense than your average counsellor. Good luck with your talking sessions. I think that even if it doesn't work out, you can leave knowing you gave it your best shot. It's not loving to force a partner into a sexless marriage and you deserve better.

LurkingAndLearningLovesCats · 10/08/2012 04:00

Pointless post, but had to giggle at 'Fear and Loathing in Middle England' Grin

OhGood · 10/08/2012 12:08

Sorry OP but how old are your DCs? Missed it somewhere in the thread. I think it must be relevant.

Watching this thread with interest. Concerned my marriage might be heading in same direction.

solidgoldbrass · 10/08/2012 12:44

Namechanged: I was speaking generally, not specifically as I don't know you or your wife. In general a person who refuses sex/intimacy but puts pressure on the other partner to remain in the relationship is behaving selfishly and may be using the other for money/domestic servicing.

cookiemonstress · 10/08/2012 13:25

I don't often reply to posts but I could not let this one go by. I feel your pain, i've been there.

I was in your position, except it was my ex-dh who was not interested. We went almost 10 yrs with no physical intimacy . Fertility issues worked in our favour in terms of conceiving is all I'm saying. On many levels, we loved each other but physical intimicacy was this ENORMOUS constant elephant in the room. It was this cloud that followed everywhere. . We had sex in the beginning but gradually he just lost interest and flatly refused to discuss ,engage etc. During that time, we had 2 lots of counsellings (6 months stretches), once after we married and once just before we agreed to call it a day. Nothing worked. I tried everything I could think of and then gradually stopped trying, the rejection was too much. I then spent years trying to tell myself it wasn't the be all and end all. I was in denial because coming from a family where divorce is prolific, I had promised myself I would never divorce my husband.

BUt I think you can only be in denial for so long and after some pretty earth shattering events (death, illness), I decided I couldn't do it anymore. Life is short. The turning point for me was imagining my daughter having a conversation wiht me in years to come, describing her marriage as being the same as mine and asking my advice. My instinctive response was she would deserve so much more. I realised I was 38 and this couldn't be the rest of my life.I wasn't ready to accept I would never have a physically loving relationship again.

After the initial upset, it was a relief all round. I am not going to lie and say it is easy, but it felt like the only honest thing to do. Ironically, it took us splitting for him to start actively parenting his children. I do find it difficult not seeing my girls every day and I miss them terribly. But they seem to be doing famously and their life is rich in many new way. there is no conflict between me and my ex, we are still friends so I live in grim hope that they will be unaffected in the long run. I still don't know why he was like this but I do realise now, it was his issue and not mine (for years I thought it was my fault). He has since remarried and I hope for his sake, the issue is now resolved. It could eat me up, the waste of those years but i made a conscious descision to leaave it all behind. I think the chemistry just wasn't there for him. I just wish he had said.

I am now with the most amazing man, who happens to have been a friend for years. And finally I am living what I hoped a loving relationship would be . OUr sex life is what I'd always hoped it could be and it helps cement the love and support between us. We are getting married next year.

I went through a grieving phase for my marriage, no-one wants to make these choices and I do still feel angry that the cost that I have to pay for his refusing to address these issues with me, is not having the priviledge is being with my children every day (although they are with me most of the time). I also know that if I had not tackled it, we would still be together, yet ironically he has remarried. What keeps me focused is thinking that now I have an opportunity to model a healthy relationship fo my children and that they get the best of me as I am so much happier. I hope that they understand when they are older, that me staying would have been so much worse for everyone in the long run.

I wish you well. It is a tough tough decision. Tke your time. Counselling is worth doing, you will know you tried everything. I hope you find peace in the decision yu will make. All the best.