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Dad's wife at wedding AIBU to ask for advice how to handle this

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ComeBackasaFlower · 23/07/2012 11:05

N/C regular...

I'd prefer not to have my Dad's wife at my wedding.

My Dad remarried about 5 years ago after my parents divorced when I was an adult. I have a very good relationship with him, but his wife is pretty much a stranger to us. Their relationship strikes me more as that of convenient companionship as opposed to any great love match. When I have encountered of her, I've felt she is someone to whom I wouldn't ordinarily warm regardless of circumstances. We have never really had the opportunity or desire to build a relationship, which suits all parties fine for the most part, but when it comes to our (intimate, close friends & family) wedding, it poses a problem as I'm not sure I feel comfortable having a virtual stranger there. Particularly one whose presence is certain to make my Mum feel extremely uncomfortable and for whom my sister and Grandma have very little time (to put it mildly)

I'm also concerned that my Dad will be fulfilling a traditional role on the day, escorting me to the ceremony - giving me away, and helping host the reception, so his wife will be on her own for big swathes of time. The only people at the wedding she knows are my aforementioned sister and grandma, neither of whom will be falling over themselves to make her feel welcome. It's hardly likely to be an enjoyable occasion for her, but she's a bit emotionally neutral, so I think she would just get through it without feeling particularly bothered.

I know I need to have a frank conversation with my Dad since as it stands, I have no idea what his expectations are regarding her attendance. He could be completely in tune with my concerns and have assumed his wife would not attend anyway (although rather unlikely), or equally not have given any thought to any potential issue and be put out at the suggestion she doesn't come. It's very hard to gauge. I know I just have to tread very carefully to ensure this doesn't blow up into a massive, upsetting issue for everyone...

How am I going to handle this? AIBU to ask the advice of strangers on the internet?! Don't want to dripfeed but reluctant to drone on so feel free to ask me to expand on stuff.

OP posts:
monsterchild · 24/07/2012 15:00

Extremely late to the party here, but I"m going to chime in. I had a medium sized wedding. Some people were there that I did not like. However, I can't really remember anything of note happening except that I got married! Yay!

I'm sure some people were upset about somebody, but since for "political" reasons, much like your situation, people "had" to be invited (people I had never actually met before, TBH, but MIL just had to bring them, just HAD to), I just dealt with it.

And like I said, I don't recall much but the ceremony, dancing and not getting to eat much!

It's not really your day at all, even though you get all the arranging. Its community day. I have no bad memories, even though there were some right awful people there. Everyone was on best behaviour (even my DM, who is a notoriously sharp tongued woman) and whatever happened, I just rolled with it.

PoohBearsHole · 24/07/2012 15:25

OP

I was the only member of my family not invited to a family wedding. I cannot tell you how upset I was and how I felt as if my heart had been broken. I felt no one had stood up for me and the small intimate wedding of 6 was actually 60 without me and dh. It has not only damaged my relationship with the "couple" but with other family members who I felt should have stuck up for me. It turns out they thought I had a prior engagement (the other family members) the "couple" haven't commented. Doesn't make it any better or make me any happier, those relationships have all been mortally damaged.

Invite your Dad's wife, you have met her and yes she might not be you're ideal but then don't you have friends who are married to people you didn't like to start off with?

Or are you just a petty and unpleasant person who has no reason to be nasty to your dad's wife apart from the fact that the coven of mother, gmother, sister have all got together and decided that all won't like her, and that the only thing she is good for is taking your dad off your hands. I am so totally no suprised she is socially inept around you, I expect if she said "what a lovely dress" you would find it snippy.

allnewtaketwo · 24/07/2012 15:37

It's very difficult to understand the extreme reaction of effectively cancelling your plans for the wedding you (both?) wanted, just so as not to have to invite one person who has, as others have said, done nothing really wrong. If you are so close to all these friends and family OP, then how are you going to choose witnesses. Aren't your ever so close family and friends going to be disappointed they're not included? You'd rather all this than simply put up with your SM being there? This is a very childish petulant reaction which you would most definitely regret.

I'm among those who find your attitute towards your father's marriage disgraceful. Simply put, their reasons for marrying have nothing to do with you. I wonder whether your (seemingly rather weak ) father tells you what you want to hear with respect to his wife and marriage. He is an adult, he chose to marry his wife. The fact that you, and the rest of your family would prefer his wife didn't exist will not diminish this.

I can only imagine that the woman felt she was in a nest of vipers at the christening/whatoever the other occasions were. That's certainly how you all come across in your posts. Most people would feel awkward in this scenario (and sorry but I don't believe you were all so unjudgemental and welcoming at the start).

If your mother genuinely didn't want the interraction with your father then it wouldn't happen, end of story. But the fact that she listens to him and then calls you up about it to gossip makes it rather clear that she's getting something from it. I know you won't see this because you have put her on a bit of a pedestal.

I wonder about your ability to deal with conflict. You may love you (almost, if it wasn't for your SM) perfect family and friend set-up now, but among 100 people it is inevitable that marriages will break up and animosity will arise. This may actually include your own marriage. I really think you really need to learn how to deal with difficult relationships rather than pretend they don't exist. This may be good practice.

quoteunquote · 24/07/2012 16:15

Top post Clytemnestra

CotedePablo · 24/07/2012 23:34

I'm not surprised the OP namechanged - if she'd kept her original name she'd never have been able to show her face here again.

Invite your stepmother - it's the only decent thing to do.

tartyflette · 25/07/2012 01:37

In the end it's your wedding OP. You do NOT have to invite anyone you don't want, despite what a lot of people may say. You'e obviously far closer to your mother than your father and her feelings are more important to you.
Fair enough. Would your family be more relaxed and happy if your father's wife was NOT there? And does your father really care anyway?

FWIW if I was in this other woman's position I would bow out gracefully; why go to a wedding where you're not really welcome and you have no connection with the people who are actually getting married? She doesn't know you at all well, you're just the adult daughter of the man she married a few years ago. You have little or no contact with her; presumably she hardly knows your fiance either.

The bottom line is -- if someone doesn't want you at their wedding but has been pressured into inviting you, would you actually turn up? I'd say (very politely) thanks, but no thanks.

WinkyWinkola · 25/07/2012 04:03

"never show her face here again"? Oh for goodness sakes. Ridiculous.

This wedding and all the broo ha ha has obviously brought up some real issues for the op wrt her mum and dad and her role between them.

So whilst it's dead easy to say invite the wife (and she should), she probably knows what tumult this will cause because it will probably cause her mum to have a hysterical reaction for which the op will be blamed.

So it is kind of a big deal when her usual role of protecting her mother and siding with her sister and gran will be gone. They don't exactly sound reasonable people, do they? She probably feels like she could have a lot to lose.

It's hard when people place so much on you in terms of weird and unreasonable loyalty.

JamieandTheOlympicTorch · 25/07/2012 09:00

Yes, Winky.

When people behave in an a way that makes no sense to objective outsiders like us it's often the case that there's a lot of emotional turmoil going on.
Rather than berating the OP out of hand, some of us have been trying to understand.

toptramp · 25/07/2012 09:19

OP I havn't read all of this thread but going by your original post you have to examine WHY she is a stranger to you. If you don't invite her then you will only widen a gap. Time to swallow any bitterness and build bridges methinks. So on the whole YABU and a bit immature sorry.

toptramp · 25/07/2012 09:19

Plus you will hurt your dad immesurably.

dreamingbohemian · 25/07/2012 09:40

OP, aside from the morality of your decision, what you are proposing isn't really good strategy.

If you tell your dad you're having a small wedding because of his wife, you will have family drama and not-the-wedding-you-wanted.

If you have the big wedding and ask your dad not to bring her, you will have family drama but at least you will have your perfect wedding.

I assume you haven't been married before. Honestly, being the centre of attention for you and for your immediate family means that you will be constantly interacting with people and doing things, I promise you will all have barely a second to spare for any thoughts about this woman.

You say there are 25 people coming from your DP's family, can you honestly say not a single one of them would put up with your dad's wife for an hour over a meal?

Finally, I think your best way forward is really to let things go. You can't go back and change what happened with your family breakup, you have to move on. Also move on from whatever this woman has done, you made a good point about her rudeness at the christening but then I was shocked to see that that was five years ago. You all need to let these things go.

I forget who said this but: 'when in doubt, do the right thing'. There are hundreds of people here telling you the right thing is to invite her. If you are really struggling so much with this, then I think the answer is not to create a huge family drama, but to look into yourself and figure out a way to make peace with this.

brdgrl · 25/07/2012 09:49

In the end it's your wedding OP. You do NOT have to invite anyone you don't want, despite what a lot of people may say.
Where does this attitude come from, I wonder? Are we really raising womengirls who believe that they are the only person who matters on their OMG ITS MYYYYYYY WEDDING DAY!?

Is there even another person involved in this marriage? It seems as though the OP is marrying her reflection...

Mayisout · 25/07/2012 09:52

OP said
making comments about the nature of the occasion and how in her community things are done such-and-such a way, and heavily implying that the way things were being done on the day were inferior. Again - I wasn't privvy to all this so have just tried to remain neutral

The 'and heavily implying that the way things were done on the day were inferior' sounds like the impression of a too sensitive person. Perhaps the OW was being spiteful, but perhaps she was just trying to make conversation about something that she thought would interest DM.

Low self confidence and self-esteem make people see the most critical and negative side to any comment. I know this because I do it myself - as does everyone ime.

It really sounds like OP's family are looking for reasons to take offence. And if she is a nasty spiteful woman who the hell cares, only OP's DF has to live with her.
It's only one day and believe me that day will fly past in a flash.

Just make the arrangements and tell family to put on a brave face. Stop debating the issue and risk making a mountain out of a molehill.

messyisthenewtidy · 25/07/2012 10:10

Op, I think the responses here have been a bit harsh. I feel for you because if my dad ever pulled a stunt like this I'd be pissed off too. Your mum sounds lovely and your loyalties obviously lay with her.

However .......

Why don't you look at it from the POV that this is a way for SM to get off on the right foot. You've only met her a few times so it could be a way of reconciliation?

Let your mum know how much she means to you by either throwing a Mamma Mia and getting her to give you away (seeing as you're closer to her anyway) or saying something in your speech about what a great mum she is.

On the basis of the RC baptism palava are you worried that SM will make her religious disapproval be known at your atheist wedding? If so have a word with your dad asking him to make sure she doesn't put her foot in it.

Hope you have a lovely wedding and don't take notice of comments saying that you are spiteful, because you are just trying to negotiate a difficult family situation, but at the end of the day you should invite her as the repercussions of not doing so would not be worth it. Besides it is the graceful thing to do.

allnewtaketwo · 25/07/2012 11:21

"if my dad ever pulled a stunt like this I'd be pissed off too"

What "stunt"??? Are you referring to his affair years ago which had nothing to do with the SM?

tartyflette · 25/07/2012 11:47

Where does this attitude come from, I wonder? Are we really raising womengirls who believe that they are the only person who matters on their OMG ITS MYYYYYYY WEDDING DAY!?

And yes, there are plenty of threads on here which say the bride and groom ARE the people who matter most on their wedding day, ffs. It's the simple truth. FWIW I'm not a 20 or 30-something bridezilla, I'm middle-aged and have been married for over 25 years. (And we didn't invite children to our wedding, nor some family members who we were not close to and didn't like anyway )

OP has already said her fiance does not want to get involved in this situation, it's her side of the family.

Rindercella · 25/07/2012 12:04

Tarty, there's a big difference between the bride and groom being the most important people on their wedding day and being the only people who matter.

I really, really dislike weddings being used as an excuse to wreck revenge on previous perceived slights and misdemeanours. It is neither the time nor the place to do this. The ramifications of being totally selfish and making the whole day about YOU (it is rarely about the groom, let's face it) can be huge and long-lasting. Is it really worth it?

eslteacher · 25/07/2012 12:49

Phew, just finished reading.

Most of what is to be said has been said. I think OP is acting very strangely. Its clear either op is misimagining family's true feelings and strength of reactions, or else whole family has worked itself up I to a ridiculous tizz over nothing very much and wedding would be ideal occasion to relax a bit and start learning to accept and get on with the new status quo.

Just one observation that occurred to me that I didn't see mentioned elsewhere:

OP says she was the one who forced her father to leave the marital home after revelation of affair, not her mum. She admits she probably has unresolved guilt about this as it wasn't her place to do so. I wonder if, given that OP says her dad would take her mum back again now, and her mum is still so unable to cope with the fact that dad remarried and remains emotionally invested in the relationship, OP harbours guilt that if she had left her parents to sort things out between themselves, they wouldn't have divorced but rather stayed together? And we'd be dealing with a very different picture of things today.

OTheHugeManatee · 25/07/2012 13:08

OP, I understand why you might do this but I still feel YABU.

My parents divorced when I was 20 and both remarried. I hate my stepmother, who I regard as a basket case and borderline abusive to my dad.

However she is still invited to my wedding in 2 weeks' time and has all along been treated as though she has the same place in the wedding party as the two biological mums. Why? Because she IS family, whether I like it or not, and it's courteous to acknowledge that.

It does stick in my craw a bit to do this. But it's easy to have good manners with people you like; the challenge is being equally polite to people you don't know, or actively dislike.

Do the right thing. Invite her and treat her like family. Ultimately it won't cost you much. Who knows, you could end up really fond of this woman in the future - but what chance will you stand of that if you exclude her pointedly?

ComeBackasaFlower · 25/07/2012 14:24

OP says she was the one who forced her father to leave the marital home after revelation of affair, not her mum. She admits she probably has unresolved guilt about this as it wasn't her place to do so. I wonder if, given that OP says her dad would take her mum back again now, and her mum is still so unable to cope with the fact that dad remarried and remains emotionally invested in the relationship, OP harbours guilt that if she had left her parents to sort things out between themselves, they wouldn't have divorced but rather stayed together? And we'd be dealing with a very different picture of things today.

Well it's not often you heave a complete stranger make such an accurate insight into yourself that you hadn't even realised might be the truth.

Thank you to all who contributed to this thread.

I have spoken to my Dad. My intention was to talk it through with no demands or preconceptions and find a compromise that would be the fairest for all parties. I resolved that if that meant including his wife in any capacity, then so be it, I would embark on that course of action wholeheartedly.

Before I even had had chance to speak, he told me that they'd had a discussion between themselves a while ago, and she herself had said she thinks it would be the best thing if she did not attend. I was completely honest with him and admitted my concerns, and much of what's been said in this thread, (apart from much of the stuff about the situation between him and my Mum) which he completely empathised with. I said in the end I had decided that I would welcome her as that would be the kindest, fairest thing to do. He said he would pass that on to her, but when all's said and done, it's likely she will not be coming as it would just be the easiest thing for all concerned. I know many may think that she is probably so horrified by the despicable reception she thinks she will get from us coven of vile witches, that really isn't the truth. She just acknowledges that the dynamic is very difficult.

I just wanted to clear a couple of points up.

My Mum and Dad stay in touch primarily because of my Grandma's care. She is my Dad's Mum, but she lives here near us all. My Dad moved far away through choice, and relies on my Mum to provide a level of care and oversight of my Grandma, and they often have to discuss arrangements for her hospital appointments/home visits etc.

Secondly, about the N/C. I can see why some find this and my comments about it irksome. I didn't do it to protect a 'MN persona' or whatever other suggestions were made, I did it because this thread could easily out me and if I did it as my regular username, any MN anonymity in previous threads I've contributed to would cease. I don't see myself as some kind of MN royalty with a swathe of yes men, rather if some users had recognised me, it might have influenced their response in as much as if they'd previously thought of me fondly, they might not automatically support my stance, but they may believe and respect my subjective points of view more, rather than just take the "well we've only got your word that she's a cow - and who the hell are you?" stance.

In some ways I wish I'd never started the bloody thread and just fetched my Dad up here sooner for a chat! In others, it's been enormously helpful, I've had to read some painful and in many cases wildly unfair opinions about myself and my family and respond without aggression or rudeness which has been an effort! Many of you have given me some really valuable insights, so thank you.

OP posts:
Kayano · 25/07/2012 14:26

I hope you get past your guilt and give this woman another chance,

She has actually saved you a lot of hassle by being the bigger person and bowing out gracefully.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 25/07/2012 14:46

I am glad it is all resolved.

Enjoy your wedding.

Your Dad's wife appears to be a more considerate person than you might have expected.

catus · 25/07/2012 14:57

Thank you for coming back and updating us!
The wedding issue looks resolved, which is good.
I hope you have a wonderful wedding. Congratulations!

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 25/07/2012 15:04

Yay! I knew your Dad would come to the right conclusion! Grin

PenisVanLesbian · 25/07/2012 15:10

I think Chazs sentence should have ended earlier, as in...

Your Dads wife appears to be a more considerate person than you.