to think that women are stupid?

[lovebunny]

elsewhere, there is a complaint about being unsupported when breastfeeding. this is a feminist issue - and the fault lies fairly and squarely at the feet of women.

i am astounded that after the battles fought in the seventies and eighties, women have allowed such regression.

look how stupid women are today. they have their bodies surgically adapted to men's fantasies - breasts enlarged, labia trimmed - they bleach their hair, tattoo their eyeliner and lipstick and have themselves spray-painted. they remove their pubic hair so they look like children for their (multiple) partners. if you read about it in a book on social anthropology you'd be horrified at the 'oppression' of women. but women think they are choosing this!

then they say 'oh, its not fair, no-one supports me when i'm breastfeeding'. too damn right they don't. because you and your compatriots have allowed everyone to see you as barbie dolls to use and abuse. they don't want to see you being women, being grown up, feeding your babies, that spoils the fantasy. you created this; live with it.

when you've finished screaming at me about your 'rights' to have your mons pubis decorated with fake jewels and to have your isabella piercing, organise yourselves.

wash your faces, let the fake tan fade, cut off your dyed hair and let it grow back naturally, so your babies can recognise the human being their genetic memory was expecting to find here. stay free from chemicals that mask your natural odours, so your babies can recognise you by smell. if people are pressurising you to 'go back to work' say, 'certainly. when this baby chooses to stop breastfeeding'. that gives you four to five years at home, maybe longer, when you are doing something no-one else can - being your babies' mothers.

the 'male' has been accepted as the 'norm' in society - so some early feminists wanted to be like men - some of that lingers. but feminists who believe in the strength and value of the female, have retreated into hiding. wake up! speak up! these are your daughters, sisters, aunts, even your mothers tarting themselves up and whoring themselves out to all and sundry trying to be 'wives and girlfriends'! they're too stupid to realise they've been conned!

educate your daughters. make them aware of political and societal manipulation. make women free - free from pressure to look a certain way, behave a certain way. free, in fact, to be women. free to want to eat without guilt, work, reproduce, raise children, form partnerships, find contentment and find peace of mind.

don't leave this to someone else. if strong women don't act to make the world a better place for women, no-one will. and in twenty years' time, i'll be reading 'oh, society doesn't support breast-feeding mothers'. again.

[Flatbread]

Who decides what is an attractive appearance? If it is truly free will, how is it that so many of us come to the conclusion that highlights and long lashes and a slim body are beautiful?

Why is there widespread belief that cellulite, flabby thighs, a big tummy and hairy armpits are ugly? Some of these norms apply to men too, but much more so to women.

Media plays such a big role in all this. For example, even a show like Big Bank theory that celebrates geekdom, does so mostly for men. Penny, the dumb underachieving girl is considered attractive, because she has physical characteristics that men seem to desire. The quality of her mind matters not at all.

There are so many examples of this, ads where the lower sexual half of the women's face is shown, while for men the whole face is shown. Subconsciously sending the message that women are sexual objects while the forehead, signifying the brain activities are much more important for men.

And lots more examples of the cultural message that women's self worth is dependant on looks. Most of us buy into this, to at least some extent

[StaceymReadyForNumber3]

bronze YADNBU!!!!

[Leftwingharpie]

Women make these choices because they are smart, determined survivors. The penalties for not jumping into line with the patriarchy are serious social and economic ones, for our children as well as for ourselves. How dare you masquerade as a feminist while using phrases like "when you've finished screaming at me..."

[Tangointhenight]

Also OP, women have been wearing makeup, waxing themselves and bleaching their hair for thousands of years, so does that mean women have always been stupid??

There is no hope for us then is there??

[StealthPolarBear]

Flatbread didn't understand a lot of your post but are you saying that in big bang they only show the lower half of penny's face?
And you've maybe not watched much, but there are am abundance of intelligent females in the programme, Amy, bernadette, the one who is in competition with them all at work, can't remember her name, raj's sister.

[HugeFurryWishingStool]

Of course it's a man, the straw-man argument, patronising tone and oversimplified mansplaining is testament to that.

[Tangointhenight]

Probably a very bitter man who has a penchant for Barbie doll women who wouldn't touch him with a barge pole.

[glastocat]

Have my first ever .

[Buttwart]

Why would you have lipstick tattooed on? What if you fancy a different colour?

[cuteboots]

Op are u a bit of a drinker ? This has to be a wind up or you having a bad day?

[Blueoctopus]

Hmmm
I am a sensible woman according to you OP, no make up, hair dye, spray tans etc I am still at home whilst my children are 6 and 3, I have stopped breast feeding though maybe I was pressured into that. Seriously though nobody is forced to be as you describe, that is the whole point of feminism we now all have a choice. In fact I would say we need some more equality because whilst we women have the choice to be SAHMs if we can afford to live on one wage society is not as accepting as men choosing to be SAHDs supported by a highly paid woman and it should be.

[SardineQueen]

How on earth can a person who writes an op entitled "I think women are stupid" claim to be a feminist

[DeSelby]

I googled Isabella piercing. Ouch.

[Whatmeworry]

I think seen as a rant about our worship of celebrity culture (if thats not an anachronism) it works, and I agree at that level - but why attack everyone else left right and centre as well?

[Mayisout]

I think it is partly women's nature to fight for a man and maybe stems from when we lived in caves and you only survived if you had a man to support you and also think it is a British thing or a British media thing that makes women look like horrors of fakeness instead of natural women. Think it is also a british thing to put soooo much pressure on women to have it all and end up doing it all.
Ok get dollled up to the hilt when you are 17 and going out in the evening but older orange women? noooo.
British people look older and tireder than other nationalities.
Something to do with self-esteem I think, maybe we are too reserved as parents.

[HesterBurnitall]

What feminist refers to women as stupid? What woman refers to women as 'they'?

[StealthPolarBear]

Oh bloody hell and so it continues.
Can we just lay down the law as to whatvis acceptable and well all follow that. That will be true feminism.

[Flatbread]

Polar, no. The lower half of the women's face was in advertisements, perfumes, watches and the like.

Big Bang has some more intelligent women, but of the main characters the four men and one woman, guess what? The men are ugly, dysfunctional geeky nerds. While the woman is a blonde wanna be actress who is dumb, not eager to learn but up to date with sexual skills. And she is the one that most of the men desire. And Leonard is attracted to her 'looks' and she to his intelligence. Talk about stereotypes!

The rest of the female characters also play to stereotypes. Raj's sis was a bit of an exception but is not much in the show now.

[Herecomesbod]

Lots of what I wanted to say has already been said up-thread (by people far cleverer than me), but the OP struck me as ill-judged, misinformed, poorly phrased and lacking in both knowledge or experience of the wider world and empathy with his or her fellow man or woman.

Hate to post and run, but am at work. In a job I absolutely love. Assisting my DH in providing for our family. Because I can. Because I have CHOSEN to do so. And in a couple of months I will have CHOSEN to go on ML for a year. Because I have worked hard to enable me to make that CHOICE.

I may even BF (if I CHOOSE to). And no ranty silly person will make me think twice about wearing make-up while I do so.

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[bejeezus]

I do find it mystifying though, when people say

I put makeup on for me not society

It's only because, society has made us view our bare naked skin 'not good enough'

(disclaimer: I wear make-up)

[worldgonecrazy]

Anyone else pissed off with the implied criticism of women who have "multiple partners"?

And I particularly dislike the perpetuation of the myth that a woman can't breastfeed and work full time. I've done it - needed a lot of support from both work and family but it is definitely doable and it breaks my heart when I read a woman saying "I've got to stop breastfeeding because I'm going back to work".

[stubbornstains]

I think the OP is a man. Possibly one from a religious fundamentalist background.

[bejeezus]

I would say most women dont have that level of support, and therefore it is not doable for most women

[Debeezandbirds]

"educate your daughters." Ok, firstly, THIS IS CAPS LOCK, capital letters go at the beginning of sentences. Perhaps you can pass that on to your students, or perhaps they're ahead of you there, despite their lip tattoos.

I respectfully disagree with you there Bejeezus, I'm a sporadic make up wearer. I am happy to leave the house barefaced and shiny. Never wear foundation, but sometimes I do think "Ooooh green eye shadow and red lipstick today!"

OP. Sometimes I don't wear a bra and I hang loose, sometimes I'm pushed up in a corset. Sometimes I wear all of my piercings, sometimes I don't. Sometimes I wax my fanny, sometimes I grow it in (if anyone recognises me from the fanny wax thread they'll know I sometimes get it shaped into patterns!)

What I do with my body day to day changes based on what I fancy doing that day, whimsy and fun rules here, it does not affect my intelligence or my ability to breastfeed.