to think that women are stupid?

[lovebunny]

elsewhere, there is a complaint about being unsupported when breastfeeding. this is a feminist issue - and the fault lies fairly and squarely at the feet of women.

i am astounded that after the battles fought in the seventies and eighties, women have allowed such regression.

look how stupid women are today. they have their bodies surgically adapted to men's fantasies - breasts enlarged, labia trimmed - they bleach their hair, tattoo their eyeliner and lipstick and have themselves spray-painted. they remove their pubic hair so they look like children for their (multiple) partners. if you read about it in a book on social anthropology you'd be horrified at the 'oppression' of women. but women think they are choosing this!

then they say 'oh, its not fair, no-one supports me when i'm breastfeeding'. too damn right they don't. because you and your compatriots have allowed everyone to see you as barbie dolls to use and abuse. they don't want to see you being women, being grown up, feeding your babies, that spoils the fantasy. you created this; live with it.

when you've finished screaming at me about your 'rights' to have your mons pubis decorated with fake jewels and to have your isabella piercing, organise yourselves.

wash your faces, let the fake tan fade, cut off your dyed hair and let it grow back naturally, so your babies can recognise the human being their genetic memory was expecting to find here. stay free from chemicals that mask your natural odours, so your babies can recognise you by smell. if people are pressurising you to 'go back to work' say, 'certainly. when this baby chooses to stop breastfeeding'. that gives you four to five years at home, maybe longer, when you are doing something no-one else can - being your babies' mothers.

the 'male' has been accepted as the 'norm' in society - so some early feminists wanted to be like men - some of that lingers. but feminists who believe in the strength and value of the female, have retreated into hiding. wake up! speak up! these are your daughters, sisters, aunts, even your mothers tarting themselves up and whoring themselves out to all and sundry trying to be 'wives and girlfriends'! they're too stupid to realise they've been conned!

educate your daughters. make them aware of political and societal manipulation. make women free - free from pressure to look a certain way, behave a certain way. free, in fact, to be women. free to want to eat without guilt, work, reproduce, raise children, form partnerships, find contentment and find peace of mind.

don't leave this to someone else. if strong women don't act to make the world a better place for women, no-one will. and in twenty years' time, i'll be reading 'oh, society doesn't support breast-feeding mothers'. again.

[NowThenWreck]

25 or thereabouts seems to be my market garlicbutter-it hasn't been intentional...until now!
Although my control group seems to have dried up lately (no pun intended.)
Thanks Tokamak. I prefer Free Range too!

[Tokamak]

EU grant for Nowthen's Natural Bush Familiarisation Programme.

Hmmm, she could probably get it on cultural/anthropological preservation grouds. All those thousands of years of evolution leading to that beautiful downward-pointing triangle with the visual cue of "Look! Here it is boys!" all gone in a generation.

A tragedy that needs averting IMHO.

[Tokamak]

Tokamak: Love you nickname

Ah, with a name like sciencelover, you were fairly certain to get it ;-)

[garlicbutter]

the Tesco Value Chicken look

YY! That's it exactly!

Loving the EU grant for Nowthen's Natural Bush Familiarisation Programme.

[Tokamak]

am fighting the encroaching normalisation of waxed ladybits by introducing 25 year old men to my bush.

As a long-term fan of bush and a hater of the Tesco Value Chicken look, may I congratulate you on your bold initiative. I believe EU funding may be available.

[PlentyOfPubeGardens]

Will there be some sort of graph?

[garlicbutter]

Joining the applause, Nowthen - with a tiny bit of envy

Do they have to be exactly 25? Do you check?

[catgirl1976]

Loving nowthen literally taking one (or two) for the team

Much appreciated

[Hownoobrooncoo]

Well keep us updated, in the name of scientific and anthropologic research.

[NowThenWreck]

Well, I haven't reached as many as I would like, but no complaints so far Hownow.
Research continues, subject to funding.

[Shelly32]

btw ..you are a bit mental..

[Hownoobrooncoo]

And how are these delicate flowers coping with the bush Nowthen?

[Shelly32]

Hahahhahhahha! Judgemental... Some women want to breastfeed, some don't . Some CAN'T!! I couldn't. I had twins and was separated from them for 1 month. Milk dries up. Some women can breastfeed and don't. Who cares? The babies are fine and if loved by Mama are far better off ..

[NowThenWreck]

I am fighting the encroaching normalisation of waxed ladybits by introducing 25 year old men to my bush.
No need to thank me ladies. All in a days work

[Hownoobrooncoo]

But that's what I worry about. It is becoming normal.

[DuelingFanjo]

If my son brough home a girl who had the whole hair extension, false eyelash, breast implant look then I would be really worried about why he would be choosing someone with such lowself esteem as a mate. but maybe in 15 years time that will be normal for every girl? I do really believe that young women (teenagers) who take this route must have some self esteem issues.

[NowThenWreck]

Hownow-nah. I am single and I couldn't give a toss about my muff. I just go with the assumption that the boys feel lucky to be anywhere near my ladygarden. Seems OK so far!

[NowThenWreck]

Well, no Duelling, of course there is more pressure on girls, and from a younger age. But boys do get pressure too, maybe when they get a bit older.
All I am saying is that this move towards the uber unnatural look does cut across the sexes.
It might not be as cut and dried as Boys watch porn=girls have to look like porn stars.
Interestingly, that programme Snog/marry/avoid (which I have watched purely for anthropological reasons ) always features over done-up people, who get make unders ; the general consensus being that having massive fake eyelashes and hair extensions is actually not considered that attractive by most people.
The only thing I do agree with about what the OP said is that surgery and injecting poising into your face etc has become more socially acceptable, and is seen as desirable, which I think is pretty sick. The idea that anyone would go under the knife if they don't have to freaks me out.

[Hownoobrooncoo]

It's strange but I've recently become obsessed interested in the state of womens minges. Only just occurred to me that I'm perhaps outdated and considerd disgusting because I don't wax to within an inch of my life down there. Never really gave it any thought when I was young and out showing off my minge to many a fine young man whom seemed perfectly at home with my hairy Mary minge.

If I was single again, would I feel pressurised to whip it all off in case I was considered a freak?

[DuelingFanjo]

really? are huge amounts of boys going to their parents at the age of 12/13 and asking about how they can remove hair? really?
Maybe I am naive about the way boys are also conditioned :(

[ArielThePiraticalMermaid]

Incidentally, I can't think of anything more painful than having ones labia or bollocks waxed. My DH is proudly hairy pretty much all over as am I.

I am so pleased I am not young any more sometimes :(

[NowThenWreck]

But the boys shave their knackers and wax their chests too. Hairy balls are seen, by the type of teenager who cares,(and they don't all), as "gross" and ugly. They are also beginning to wear concealer, have manicures and get their eyelashes tinted.
They also must go to the gym, and work their upper bodies into over exaggerated biceps and pecs.
The whole Barbie aesthetic of smooth, perma-tanned,perfect body, over done hair and make up is one that applies to the boys in that demographic, to a lesser extent, but it's there.

I think it may be less of an expression of oppression of women, and more of an expression of being generally "grossed out" by Nature. The kids who find unwaxed genitals disgusting will probably grow up into people who tarmac their front gardens and have plastic flowers in pots, instead of real ones.

It is sinister, but maybe not for the reasons OP thinks.

Just a thought.

Oh, also, I remember being about 12 and some boys telling me about a porno they had seen where a woman had a cock up the front and one, ahem, up the back. And this was in the days of VHS.

[assumpta]

Regarding shaving vagina hair, I have been told by a friend, that young girls think this is how it should be as a lot of young boys have such easy and immediate access to porn these days, and see shaved vaginas on all these sites, that they (boys) find hair down there disgusting on girls. They see it like having hairy arm pits. Girls shave them, so why not everything else too? Their theory, not mine. Perhaps some girls see it as simple as the arm pit hair comparison too.

By the way this was told to her by her daughter, then 13 years, from hearing what boys were freely talking about. They also think that anal sex is no big deal whatsoever and fairly 'normal'. As with everything, it is not 'all' boys, but it does seem to be quite a lot of boys.

I think OP, that maybe you need to be 'freed' yourself. Calm down and chillax, after all, if the time is correct on the original post, it's a little early (05.57) to be worked up; you'll give yourself a stroke.

[Hownoobrooncoo]

Baggyandwrinkled - agree with everything you say. I find it hard to believe this 'porn' or stripper look is everywhere. My beautiful, well educated, hardworking niece and all her friends dress like this when they go out. I must be old but i find the fake tan, false eyelashes, OTT make-up, 7 inch heels they hobble about in, all wearing tiny dresses etc really unattractive. They are all attractive girls but they lose it when they dress like this and all look the same. As i said I must be getting old.

[ariadne1]

i truly think this is one of the most depressing threads I have ever read in 10+ years. Feminism is about choice.The OPs brand of oppression is as least as bad as that she is seeking to combat.

This thread is to feminism what 'Animal Farm' is to communism!