to think that women are stupid?

[lovebunny]

elsewhere, there is a complaint about being unsupported when breastfeeding. this is a feminist issue - and the fault lies fairly and squarely at the feet of women.

i am astounded that after the battles fought in the seventies and eighties, women have allowed such regression.

look how stupid women are today. they have their bodies surgically adapted to men's fantasies - breasts enlarged, labia trimmed - they bleach their hair, tattoo their eyeliner and lipstick and have themselves spray-painted. they remove their pubic hair so they look like children for their (multiple) partners. if you read about it in a book on social anthropology you'd be horrified at the 'oppression' of women. but women think they are choosing this!

then they say 'oh, its not fair, no-one supports me when i'm breastfeeding'. too damn right they don't. because you and your compatriots have allowed everyone to see you as barbie dolls to use and abuse. they don't want to see you being women, being grown up, feeding your babies, that spoils the fantasy. you created this; live with it.

when you've finished screaming at me about your 'rights' to have your mons pubis decorated with fake jewels and to have your isabella piercing, organise yourselves.

wash your faces, let the fake tan fade, cut off your dyed hair and let it grow back naturally, so your babies can recognise the human being their genetic memory was expecting to find here. stay free from chemicals that mask your natural odours, so your babies can recognise you by smell. if people are pressurising you to 'go back to work' say, 'certainly. when this baby chooses to stop breastfeeding'. that gives you four to five years at home, maybe longer, when you are doing something no-one else can - being your babies' mothers.

the 'male' has been accepted as the 'norm' in society - so some early feminists wanted to be like men - some of that lingers. but feminists who believe in the strength and value of the female, have retreated into hiding. wake up! speak up! these are your daughters, sisters, aunts, even your mothers tarting themselves up and whoring themselves out to all and sundry trying to be 'wives and girlfriends'! they're too stupid to realise they've been conned!

educate your daughters. make them aware of political and societal manipulation. make women free - free from pressure to look a certain way, behave a certain way. free, in fact, to be women. free to want to eat without guilt, work, reproduce, raise children, form partnerships, find contentment and find peace of mind.

don't leave this to someone else. if strong women don't act to make the world a better place for women, no-one will. and in twenty years' time, i'll be reading 'oh, society doesn't support breast-feeding mothers'. again.

[StealthPolarBear]

Lol worra I could only see your first sentence and thought wtf?!
I cannot stand the extensions/eyelashes/orange/surgery look. It seems such a recent thing - first person I noticed with the lashes was Adele though I realise that Jordan is the same. But while I think its awful that this is the fashion Amd some of these women are role models for girls, I have no issue with the individuals themselves choosing as they do, and I do not judge their ... Morals, intelligence, whatever.

Interestingly, I have a similar feeling about breastfeeding. I want rates to rise and will fight to do this through culture, advertising, challenging stereotypes, improving support. The choices (as opposed to lack of choice) of individual women, loving mothers, are not my concern.

[catgirl1976]

I have never felt unsupported when breast feeding.

But I expect that's probably because I don't give a tuppenny damn what other people think - especially hard of thinking, embittered, narrow minded anti women types. Like you OP

Hope you feel better soon.

[Flatbread]

OP is making a very good point, although in a slight offensive way. To all of you going on about free choice, how do you know it is free choice? Do you think you are immune to marketing and unspoken social norms?

Are you willing to extend the same courtesy to women who cover themselves up 'willingly' . No, we say they are deluded, oppressed. They are giving in to the norms of patriarchal society.

Well, we are too. We accept our sexualised status and claim that it is free choice that makes us put makeup, wax etc. but really it following the patriarchical norms of our society

[StealthPolarBear]

Worra she is either a teacher or has some weird eyes
Fucking awful, isn't it?

[ChippingInNeedsCoffee]

Biggest load of twaddle I've read.

If you are in fact not just a wind up, please tell us what & where you teach.

[StealthPolarBear]

Women's studies at the university of misogyny

[catgirl1976]

No, we say they are deluded, oppressed.

Do we?

When did I say that? I don't remember. I must have been drunk again.

[ScarletLadyOfTheNight01]

Not everyone who wears make-up or dyes their hair does so in a way that conforms to "society's norms" though.

[scottishmummy]

lol at let baby chose- im not defined by mode of feeding
no.im the adult i pay mortgage,fill fridge,steer my career
i don't defer complex adult decisions to babies and children.

[spammertime]

Ok, I've got a 9m old who I'm breastfeeding. I'd love to stay at home with her until she stops, but unfortunately we will need my salary. Unless I made my already hard working husband go and get a second job. Which I won't because we are a team who both love the children. Just because I am the one that gave birth and feeds the babies doesn't give me the right to ruin his life. What does your husband think OP???

[Alameda]

oh is THIS extreme feminism? really?

it's obviously a joke

[CherryCheesecake]

Pfffftttt how about stop worry about how other women live their lives and get on with your own. You only get one.

Tis a bit ridiculous.

[squeakytoy]

I have seen plenty of women mocked, ridiculed and scorned on here by the feminine extremists because they do not adhere to the feminist hardline approach.

[squeakytoy]

arghhh... feminist extremists...

[StealthPolarBear]

Has the op been back?bif not I think we assume this is full on trollery (if there's any remaining doubt) and let it lie.

[JugglingWithTangentialOranges]

I do sympathise with some of where the OP is coming from - mainly that I feel we, as women, could possibly have built more constructively on where we'd got to as feminists in say the 70's, or just after the First world war or whenever - there seem to have been periods where we were particularly strong as women, and then other times we seem to have gone backwards as feminists. But that is forgetting the fact that we've had patriarchy to fight all the time, and new challenges to face in each decade. I basically trust women both collectively and as individuals to be doing the best they can to find their own ways through the patriarchal society we live in. I think OP makes a valid point that valuing our role as mothers and nurturers of next generation could be embraced more fully within feminism.

Where I don't agree with you OP is -

1 I don't think women are stupid
2 I don't see the need for such an aggressive and patronising tone
3 I think choice is important for women and as feminists
4 I think if women choose to adorn their bodies in various ways then that can be a free and creative choice (though I acknowledge there are often pressures from society too)

• So, quite a lot I'd approach differently. Good to read others thoughts here - I'll have to go back and catch up on more !

[scottishmummy]

yes the fwr was v shrill and preachy
but this post really just needs op to call us all anti-feminists and mra and that will be fullhouse mn bingo

[littlemslazybones]

feminine extremists Barbie is coming to get you, she's waxed pink and angry...

[catgirl1976]

even your mothers tarting themselves up and whoring themselves out

It's the lethal combination of the Per Una Specizale range and sherry. It goes to their heads.

[littlemslazybones]

waxed, pink and angry. Waxed pink sounds painful.

[StealthPolarBear]

What is fwr and mra? Keep seeing the acronyms but never understood

[Alameda]

what feminist would ever use the word whore or condemn women for having multiple partners?

I think this is either one of the f4j trolls or a scary christian gone wrong

[HipHopOpotomus]

Gosh - that's a very big rant lecture from a vibrator lovebunny -do you feel better now?

I think that the OP is highlighting just how stupid it is to try and force a theory out of gross generalisations and sweeping statements.

[BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack]

Wow what a rant.....I sould say it people like you who set feminism back! What a load of bollocks you have just spouted!

[scottishmummy]

fwr is a topic on mn feminism,women rights. the big hoo ha was, is it a topic about fwr and open discursive forum or a fwr forum and safe space.mnhq clarified is topic about feminism open to all. big ruck recently and mn created a radical feminism to discuss specific ideologies. being ongoing debavle for past while over there

mra, a put-down used to those individuals perceived to be too liberal,too wishywashy. too busy appeasing and pleasing men to see the real struggle.apparently