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50 shades of grey

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PatheticTrumpet · 15/06/2012 20:57

WIBU to download it to my kindle tonight to see what all the fuss is about possibly get in THE mood ?

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solidgoldbrass · 19/06/2012 20:55

Yeah, the main thing is that Christian Grey is an abuser and Wossname Not Bella At All Oh No is a fuckwitted Mary Sue who loves being abused.
Fanfic is basically taking an existing story and adding your own bits, which usually involve the characters having more sex.

Mia4 · 19/06/2012 20:59

Bignut there's loads of fanfic, for everything from tv shows to books to movies to cartoons (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanfiction). Some is good, some is awesome, some is rubbish and some is just plain awful but addictive to read.

The shades series was a twilight fanfic- ana is actually bella and christian was edward, they were written as Twilight using those characters personalities and the Twilight story as it's AU background. E L James just cleaned it a bit and replaced the names to make them not bella and Edward because, by law, fanfic can be held to copywrite breaches. It doesn't mean it will, but it can (see Cassandra Claire for other fanfic authors also doing the same).

Wiki links to it more en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Shades_of_Grey

Mia4 · 19/06/2012 21:02

Solidbrass, that's what pwp smut fic is but there's a hell of a lot more from AU, to 'what if' and episode series rewrites to every genre and kink imaginable. For anything it seems, i must admit to enjoying Firefly and Buffy fanfic. MAry Sue fanfic and self inserts are usually really really out of character because of the very nature of them

GothAnneGeddes · 19/06/2012 22:04

This is what I object to. For a supposedly "kinky" book, it sounds so bloody normative!

Bland, wet woman, bossyarsed/"masterful" bloke. Oooh, never seen that before. Hmm

anonacfr · 19/06/2012 22:29

Not to mention the woman is so innocent she's never masturbated.

Everyone knows women can only discover sexual pleasure through being f*ed hard by a man. Hmm

(direct Christian Gray quote btw)

fuzzpig · 19/06/2012 22:36

Weeeell TBF I'd never done that until a couple of months ago when I finally got to grips with my Rabbit

Waiting til age 25 wasn't innocence for me though, just massive psychosexual ishoos.

Blush
lizzyE · 19/06/2012 22:43

I just finished 'How to be a woman' by Caitlin Moran. Not a novel, but an amazing thought provoking read, really funny too. Won all sorts of awards. Might be worth dipping into, it's just out in paperback. Otherwise, join the library, and pick up one of their recommended reads. A good way to get back into the world of books and see what you enjoy x

solidgoldbrass · 19/06/2012 23:12

I really must get off my arse (or rather sit on my arse in front of my keyboard) and write another erotic novel that doesn't consist of some vapid characterless bint's 'sexual awakening' ie learning to be a sub. There are a few decent ones out there already about dominant women, polyamory, non-heteronormative stuff but for some reason they just don't get the hype. Wonder why.

threetequilafloor · 19/06/2012 23:16

I'm currently reading no.3 and I like.... No they are not Jane Austen but they are good fun :)

GothAnneGeddes · 20/06/2012 01:22

Sgb - Many years ago I read one of the Nancy Friday books. Admittedly, they were side splitting in places, but the fantasies women shared in there, were far less, formulaic, shall we say.

GothAnneGeddes · 20/06/2012 01:25

Sorry hit post too soon. Anyway, the Nancy Friday books were pretty popular, so I think the appetite for something different is definitely out there.

P.S You have to write "Two bob for a Handjob on Shit Street" first.

Napdamnyou · 20/06/2012 01:51

I have just whizzed through it looking for the sex bits and fell asleep while doing so. I feel quite disappointed myself.

She is a wet dullard and he is tiresome and a bit mental.

Secretary, the movie is far more lascivious IMO.

solidgoldbrass · 20/06/2012 01:55

I am busy with my feminist zombie novel right now and MUST NOT get distracted, though.

(It features feminists AND zombies, not zombies who are feminists, nor feminists who are zombies...)

TanteRose · 20/06/2012 02:14

Not read it, don't intend to, and don't need to, now I have read the digested read Grin

also, Caitlin "I love porn, me" Moran wrote about 50 Shades in the Times the other day. Can cut and paste if anyone's interested...

TanteRose · 20/06/2012 02:16

oh and good luck with the femzom novel, sgb Grin

Napdamnyou · 20/06/2012 02:35

Oh please cut and paste....

fridakahlo · 20/06/2012 02:42

I can't believe that quote, how rude!
I was quite happily discovering my sexuality at the ages of twelve, thirteen and fourteen without a man in site.
I imagine if you asked any of the guys I deflowered dated who had helped who discover sex, they'd be saying that I taught them all they know.

TanteRose · 20/06/2012 02:45

here you are, Napdamnyou

"I like pornography. In this, I am scarcely alone. Millions, if not billions, of humans are looking at pornography now ? right now, literally now. It?s probably why the people at the Virgin broadband call centre haven?t called you back yet, and why your bus was late this morning. It?s an industry worth £8.5 billion ? bigger than Apple, Google, Microsoft, Amazon and eBay combined. And, let?s face it, you can get porn off all of them, too ? so the final nookie stats are all over the shop.

We live in a world of pornography ? and, as a concept, that?s no bad thing. Humans are clearly hard-wired to enjoy watching other humans having sex, and pornography is the polite and considerate invention we came up with that allows this to happen, when we realised the only alternative ? standing on our neighbours? lawns with a pair of binoculars, around dusk, shouting, ?Get ON with it ? Coast?s on in ten minutes? ? might, eventually, lead to social discord. Ironically, pornography stops us being socially unacceptable deviants and perverts.

As a fan of pornography, then, I was delighted to hear the world has recently invented a new kind: ?mummy porn?. No, it?s not that. Indeed, it?s the opposite ? it?s actually ?porn that mums like?. Yeah. They?re the ones with their money in their hands now, baby. The objectified just turned into the consumer ? so in your face, possibly literally, The Man.

The success of novelist E.L. James?s Fifty Shades of Grey trilogy ? No 1 on both sides of the Atlantic, ten million copies shifted ? has opened up a new market for ?female-friendly? porn. Suddenly, the books? themes ? women enjoying bondage, sadism and submission ? are being discussed in Newsweek and on Newsnight. Jeremy Paxman looked very unhappy during that episode ? like a man longing for Gavin Esler to run into the studio shouting ?NEWSFLASH! THE EURO?S JUST EXPLODED!?, so he could return to a subject less contentious and mysterious than whether women like nipple clamps or not.

However. All is not rosy in the mummy porn garden. In the media and literary world, the success of Fifty Shades of Grey has been met with great disdain. The common cavil is that it?s so appallingly, clunkingly written ? it started as a fan blog of Twilight-inspired porn, and it shows ? that it kind of? lets women down. That having a book that?s so groundbreaking, yet so naff, has ruined female pornography ? before it had properly started.

Personally, I disagree. I read Fifty Shades of Grey yesterday, and, yes, it is most assuredly not The Great Gatsby of filth. E.L. James?s first description of hero Christian Grey is that he?s ?long-fingered?, which makes him sound as if he?s either a) continually violated, or b) ET. Additionally, the sentence ?I was coming apart like the spin cycle on a washing machine? is taking the concept of ?mummy porn? a bit too far. James might as well have written ??like the spin cycle of a mixed wash, with one of those dye-retaining sheets in ? just in case?. For reading mums, a sudden mention of a washing machine is an alarmingly unsexual moment. It?s apt to lead to housework panic and guilty feelings about ironing.

But reading it, I could see why those ten million copies got shifted. James knows her ?mummy? audience well ? every description of sex is prefaced with a detailed description of how nice and clean all the sheets are, and no one in Fifty Shades of Grey ever has to stop halfway through a bunk-up because they?ve just rolled onto a Peppa Pig doll that?s started shouting, ?Everyone loves jumping in muddy puddles! SNORT!?

Anyway, it doesn?t matter how badly written the porn in Fifty Shades of Grey is. The key thing is that women are writing pornography ? and it?s selling like hot cakes. For while I am a fan of pornography, it?s obvious that the porn industry is horribly sexist. There?s scarcely anything out there based on the desires of women. In a world where ten million books have been sold, however ? and there?s a Fifty Shades of Grey film forthcoming ? you can bet your spanked arse the porn industry is going to be falling over itself to start making female-friendly pornography. Stuff where the women involved aren?t sad, orange things being thrown around by lunks ? but people who actually talk and articulate desire. Who have fun.

The ?terrible writing? in Shades of Grey will bank-roll publishers for 50 beautifully written books of female pornography, and has already ? God bless it ? done more for honest discussions of female sexuality than the exquisite, but little-read, writing of Anaïs Nin. Revolutions don?t have to spring up fully formed ? inspiring and majestic from the get-go. Sometimes, the revolution starts with a terrible description of someone?s fingers, and a mistimed simile about a washing machine.

So. In essence. Fifty Shades of Grey: I wouldn?t w* to it ? but I am in favour of it politically. "

Napdamnyou · 20/06/2012 03:13

I just checked on kindle ipad and there are
22 mentions of biting her lip
27 bite her lips

That's a mention every ten pages!

Tsk.

Napdamnyou · 20/06/2012 03:14

Oh thank you for the article!
< starts reading>

Napdamnyou · 20/06/2012 03:17

Bless her.
I hope she's right.

TheLazyGirlBlog · 20/06/2012 08:03

On the subject of wet (excuse the pun) female and masterful yet slightly mentalist bloke, can someone explain where I can find something where the bloke is the one getting bossed about and the woman is strong? I hated the whole "inner Goddess" BS in Fifty Shades, in fact I was rooting for the Inner Goddess to come bitch slap her and talk in a Jerry Springer, black lady "hell no sista" kind of way. The best friend was a possible character who could have been likeable, but then as soon as she got with Christian's brother she turned stupid overnight- why did Ana not tell her, as her friend "erm, your fella was copping off with someone else love?" rather than watching her marry him by the end? And Spoiler Alert did anyone get creeped out by the end bit where she was pregnant and she was still letting him batter her in his new porn room? That was just wrong, and unlikely, no pregnant women feels like having sex by 8 months let alone being tied up and beaten. And no sensible women who isn't Jordan or one of the TOWIE lot is going to accept a house in return for being slapped about in the bedroom. As for her being able to deep throat after 5 minutes- gag. Literally.
But, as much as I liked Secretary, again, it was the same "daft girl/powerful bloke combo again. As for the sitting in a chair peeing your pants. Someone should have passed her some Tena.

blapbird · 20/06/2012 08:32

I love it, I'm half way through and am really enjoying it.

HighBrows · 20/06/2012 08:54

After hearing a radio piece about these books myself and my sister bought them between us. I wasn't giving the radio piece my full attention so for the first 150 pages I thought Christian was a vampire... 'oh my' disappointment!

I started to read the books first and by the time I came to the second book, bored I started to underline the words, 'oh my', 'holy cow' etc. I also started to make notes in the margins... for my sister, so while she was reading them she was also laughing at the notes. We both thought these books were rubbish.

The sex bits were unrealistic and not BDSM, by the end of book one I was skimming the 'sexy' bits. I was disappointed at all the things he was buying her, cars, laptops, mobile phones etc... I wouldn't be comfortable with someone buying me all that gear and then wanting to beat me every time I rolled my eyes or bit my lip!

I also don't agree with Caitlin Moran's article (above) I don't think porn should become normative, it's a sleazy industry that does nothing for women.

OracleInLeCoracle · 20/06/2012 08:55

Ive just started the third book and I am fucking fuming, he has just covered her in love bites and his handcuffs have marked her. this was all because she "defied" him by taking her bikini top off, so he marked her, so everyone knows that she is "his". but, she forgives him in about 2 seconds. dreadful.

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