to think that people who choose to have more children whilst living in social housing shouldn't expect to be given a bigger place?

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I am a member of another pregnancy forum and there is a woman there who has just had her 5th child (by choice). Neither her nor her partner work and she is complaining that the council will not giver them a bigger house (she is in a 3 bed). All the other members are sympathising with her but I don't understand why. Surely if you choose to have a child when you know your home is not big enough, you shouldn't expect the council to give you a bigger one, especially when it is sought after subsidised housing?

you're right usual

i did get the cake tin out...scones are ready!

Agree with Usual

Unchartered - I have custard flan at the ready

I cba with a bunfight though.

Jam then cream

fecund moaning one

genius

Maybe the 5 bed house has a bigger garden for the trampoline and the goat. The 100'' flat screen will also look better in the bigger lounge.

I'm in social housing
I have a 5 bed too

I had to google 'fecund' [thicko]

have they got a dog too, OP?

can you run back and check please?

If my DC are sharing bedrooms, the house is small and I can't afford a bigger one then I can't have another child and I will use contraception to make sure of it because I want my DC to have a nice home. No-one will give me a house - that't for sure and I wouldn't expect it.

I think that's called taking responsibility.

I think a bigger issue is the fact we need to build 5 million more houses over the next 20 years to cope with immigration. 5 MILLION.

No, you're right. Mine share. Sharing is not in itself suffering.

The people who were in this house before me - a two bed house - had either 5 or 6 children, can't remember which, mix of boys and girls.

I was thinking more generally of standards of living, money, housing, generally affording the children you have etc.

I've got wine to go with the popcorn, hands up who needs a refill.

Actually near me there are 3 bed maisonettes, the upstairs ones are tiny - our house is 18' by 22' and they are significantly smaller - perhaps 16' x 18' with a tiny balcony 2' deep?

The council say the single bedrooms are big enough for bunks there for 4 dc and a baby under 1 can be housed in them. Council rewired them so you can't get a standard framed bed in them so you have to get shortie bunks.

Honestly these upstairs maisonettes are tiny - small double and 2 box rooms!!! You struggle to get a small 4 seater table and sofa in the lounge.

Spot on gabsid. It's a shame everyone doesn't think like you do, they're just forever going on about what they're 'entitled to'. I hate that word.

Is someone giving out houses then?

Can I have one? My windows are fucked.

sense of entitlement

i'm going to get upduffed so i can get a bigger house, who's going to join me?

No we don't, WhiteWidow.

worrywortisworrying, point taken.

DS1 couldn't wouldn't share a bedroom.

I'm not entitled though. How does one apply?

Can you expand on that linerunner instead of simply saying 'no'?

it's easy, Frontpaw MILLIONS of people are entitled...don't you read the DM?

Well I think being a fecund immigrant goat who doesn't need much cheese should get you there.

i'll have wine, if it's being offered!

I think much more social housing should be built, tbh. Much, much more. It's bloody ridiculous that there's such a shortage of affordable housing. There's nothing at all wrong with renting. It used to be what most people did.

usualsuspect - i do suffer a little from council house envy actually, i envy not having to worry about finding mortgage each month and not losing he house we are in. I envy never having a penny for ANY luxuries, whether they are the norm or not. I envy the security and the cheap(er) rents.

BUT i do not WANT a council house, my friend has just got one, its lovely, if not a bit small, but OMFG it is on a really rough bit of an ok estate and it just makes me sad, its like bloody beruit :(

I also do not resent that some people (my mother included) have council properties.

What i think is, there should be some sort of control on the property market to stop those "with" taking advantage. It happens here all the time, people moving from london for their second homes, or just moving for a nicer bodenesque lifestyle, pushing the property prices up. Then theres the landlords - don't get me started.

What needs to happen is a bloody shake up of the whole thing, make it more affordable for people to OWN houses. Make it less stressful when you arein financial dire straits that you don't have your bank "sending someone round" when you are £100 in mortgage areas (no, im not joking!) just to put you under pressure and make you think, fuck me, what happens if and possibly when things really go tits up for us and we struggle to make the payments.

Im not going to get upset over people getting council houses though when id quite like one, but only if its on a nice road and has a nice garden, like my mums

Just borrow some kids, stick a cushion up your jumper, job done