To be shocked that children don't know the Lords prayer anymore

[shaka12003]

Something that came up today whilst watching the jubilee celebrations. The church service came on and the Lords prayer was said my 2 dcs don't know it and havent been taught it in school.

AIBU to be shocked by this apparently I am as we now live in a political correct society and can't teach children these things.

noble I suppose I think that if people believe there is a place to go to afterwards then they might be more careful in life....because they will have to face their actions again.
I hear you when you say that we should be able to turn to one another for support...thats one of the main points that makes an religion good though too...they tend to encourage that.

Thehouse

A basically good person? No. I'm not. I'm basically human. I don't believe in a concept of objective good or evil. I do whatever seems like a good idea at the time, an it harm none.

I've done things, and continue to, that the christian church in particular consider sinful. I consider the christian church criminal in its perpetuation of the idea that our wonderful bodies are dirty and shameful, in its continued suppression of women, hiding of domestic violence and child abuse, the very concept of original sin - yy, I know other religions do these lovely things too, but christianity is the one constantly shoved in my face.

Religion does not prevent people hurting one another, in fact, it often seems to have the opposite effect.

Do people REALLY not think that many people need somewhere organised to go to...to get help and support on a regular basis?

TheHouseOnTheCorner Then why waste time saying you "don't think the Muslim faith is a bad faith" if you do? Either you practice religious tolerance or you don't. Clearly, you don't.

It is possible to get support without the idea of a supreme being involved.

Thehouse: "but without a place to go after death, there's nothing to stop people acting like totaly bastards in life really."

How true. I don't believe in life after death, and I'm a total bastard.

That aside, it's quite difficult to argue that looking over the entire period of its existence the Christian Church has been a force for good. Look at the Crusades, the witch-hunts of the 17th century or the persecution of homosexuals for starters - people being burnt at the stake because they had the wrong kind of sex. Not much compassion or kindness on show there.

Crunchy I know what you're saying I really do....I am not anti muslim and genuinely did not know that veils are a clutural thing...I KNOW the church has been twisted in the past in its behaviour...I'm not stupid...but I DO get afraid for a society with no religion. I also know religion causes wars.

I think it's a bit arrogant to assume that, just because faith motivates you to be a good person, other people also need it for that reason. Isn't it bizarre theology, too? It's as if you're saying faith is really important, not because of some God bloke, but because it keeps us nicely in check socially ...

As far as I can see, religious people are perfectly capable of doing awful things, too.

We DO have a legal and judicial system in place, you know. It's not perfect, but it is present in society. Were you not aware?

Hack but they also look after the homeless and support the elderly.

Maybe, in my utopia, the history syllabus might eventually teach about the fact that the indoctrination of children into the Christian faith allowed for thousands of them to submit to physical and sexual abuse within children's homes on a systemic basis.

Just a thought ... wonder what sort of working model of an afterlife those priests and nuns were operating from.

But they probably taught the Lord's prayer, so that's alright then!

If people didn't think there was a place to go afterwards, they might be a damn sight more careful with this life.

I think the point where I turned away from Christianity is when I really considered what the world might look like if the Church ruled the whole thing.
I decided I couldn't live in a world like that, nor could I bear my children to.
So I think I'm probably a humanist now.

Somewhere to go to get help and support is good. But when it's the church, it seems to often come with a price.

Sign a petition saying gay marriage is wrong, anyone?

We learned it at primary school way back many decades ago but even though I know it off by heart it appears to have changed since those days!

I am not at all religious but in a way I am quite comforted by knowing it....-it's one of those things everyone should know

I'd rather they were made to learn the Owl and the Pussycat in school. In fact, stuff them full of poetry, back to the 50s, you can stick the prayer in there if you want.

This is truly an excellent example of the AIBU genre. The OP is just so hilariously and gloriously unreasonable.

On different versions of the Lord's prayer, I was taught the debts/debtors version at my 'non-demoninational' or more accurately Church of Scotland by stealth school but learned the trespasses version when dragged to catholic mass by my father/paternal grandparents.

I don't think either of my kids knows any version of it, because they have no need to really.

I suppose I think that if people believe there is a place to go to afterwards then they might be more careful in life....because they will have to face their actions again

House This is the most selfish reason I have ever come across as to why to be good. This implies that people are only being good because someone is watching at all times and they will have to pay for their actions.

Does this mean people without a religion are just good because they are kind people? Because they actually like to help others? Because they think that everyone should be treated with respect just because they are other human beings?

Your argument makes religious people sound like they are only ever good to cover their own backs!

From your posts you come across as judgemental, selfish, cowardly, racist and totally misguided. Not a great advert for religion.

I think they should be learning something off by heart, but poetry probably best. It is a bad drawback that they don't learn about the capacity of the human mind to store information; makes language learning very difficult because they genuinely don't know you can learn paradigms by heart. Owl and the Pussycat sounds good to me.

TheHouse: "Hack but they also look after the homeless and support the elderly."

Well, yes, they do now. That's why I argued for taking the long perspective - does looking after the homeless now make up for burning innocent women to death for supposedly having sex with the devil?

In any case, there are non-religious people who look after the homeless too. Shelter, for example, is a secular organisation.

I love the Owl and the Pussycat.

I mostly remember learning things like this without really thinking about it ... no-one sat me down and said 'now learn Masefield's 'Cargoes', but when I think about it, I know it because we had it read to us quite a lot. If you take children to church, they'll learn the Lord's Prayer and probably lots of other things in the same way, and they won't even knwo they're learning it.

I agree that it's really important to find out that you can memorize things.

Ah, that's what I like to see. School and faith being separated.

Jolly good shaka's DC's school! Keep up the good work!

It seems quite insane that anyone logically regards the bible as the ultimate moral code for mankind. It's thoroughly blood thirsty and describes a god who is vicious to the extreme.