To be shocked that children don't know the Lords prayer anymore

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Something that came up today whilst watching the jubilee celebrations. The church service came on and the Lords prayer was said my 2 dcs don't know it and havent been taught it in school.

AIBU to be shocked by this apparently I am as we now live in a political correct society and can't teach children these things.

Good post crunchyfrog. It is the abuses in the Bible which had me questioning religion.

The whole story of Sodom and Gomarrah. How God leveled a city of men loving men while Lot impregnated his daughters in a cave up a mountain. Forgive me father, for you have sinned!

Then there are other religions with questionable tales like the bible has, like Mohammad, as an old man taking Iesha (?) as a child bride at the age of 9. That's child abuse/grooming, regardless of how common it was in it's time. If it's not right now, why was it right for holy men then?

Besides, isn't the Christian God the God of War?

Yikes!

That's why Richard Dawkins is fully in favour of Bibles in schools!

House for the love of all things good, please stop. The picture being painted of Christians on this thread is heartbreaking.

Or at least make it clear that these are your own opinions, and not necessarily those of Christians.

YABU OP. I find it more shocking when children have this semi-indoctrination shovelled into them.

Religions like to get children early when their critical faculties aren't up to much.

Try explaining any religion, from scratch, to an adult. They just ain't gonna buy it.

I don't understand how a religious person can abdicate responsibility for bringing up children in faith and expect the school to do it.

MrsBethel Wed 06-Jun-12 10:55:55

"Try explaining any religion, from scratch, to an adult. They just ain't gonna buy it."

Hate to say it, but adults have been known to convert to faiths which they were not brought up in. Brits brought up in a vague CoE atmosphere convert to Islam, children brought up in an atheist household become Christians as adults. People are all different, they do different things.

Nickname wtf? Who are you to boom crappy instrutions to me re where and what I post?? Keep your instructions to yourself love.

House - I think Nickname was just trying to express the view that you're not doing Christians any favours through some of the stuff you're posting. If you want people to come away thinking that Christians are good, kind, gentle, tolerant people, you're not necessarily going the best way about it.

Why? Because I had some ignorance about Muslims and headscarves? If people are THAT judgey that quckly then bugger them.

(and I know that's not a Christian attitude but I'm peeved because I did admit my ignorance)

Cory. I think having a religion explained from scratch is different to the way faiths go about converting people though. I think Mrs Bethel meant explaining it in straightforward non esoteric way. If you explain Christianity like that it's pretty much:
"Christianity is the belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie who is his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in all humanity because a rib-woman was convinced to eat from a magical tree by an infinitely sadistic being disguised as a talking snake with legs."

But churches wouldn't convert many people if they laid it out like Instead they push the 'Jesus loves you so much' line because that appeals to our ego and circumvents the need for logic.

Ha ha ha headinhands ... that has tickled me. I shall have to memorise it - and recite it at bedtimes!

In amazes me how atheists think its 100% ok to say quite nasty and rude things to religious people, hey ho!

Very neatly done, headinhands. I like it.

Porca - is that what you think is rude, or is it other posts? headinhands' post is a good summary. It doesn't give you the values or conventions of the organised religion, but it does describe the (IMO) myth on which is is based. I would imagine that the underlying "story" of any other organised religion would look similarly implausible when summarised.

Why is it a shame? What do they gain or lose from knowing or not knowing a prayer? Is it the "tradition" you don't like losing, or are you upset about "foreign / secular / other" influences? As you say political correctness, I suspect it's the latter.

porca Bearing in mind there is a Christian on this thread saying that non-religious people have nothing to stop them being "bastards", and another saying that without Christianity there would be no morals, this probably isn't the best thread to talk about people being rude to religious people.

No, Headinhands' post is not a good summary! It's a witty parody that shows a superficial familiarity with Christianity but no real understanding of it. (Lots of religion threads atm, aren't there?)

porcamiseria some atheists think it's okay to slag off religions, thank you. Not all. We're not some monolithic block.

OP, if you want your children to learn the Lord's Prayer, then teach them.

I didn't realise until I was in my thirties that there was more than one version.

OK OK, some atheists

but time after time I see responses that make me wince

Its like its completely OK to be quite rude, acerbic and nasty about faith/religion

FINE if you are an atheist, each to their own. Just dont go calling it "gobbledegook", as thats hugely offensive to people that do have a faith

On MN I see alot nastier views spouted by atheists, but we are very narrow segment of society I know

another lovely word "insane"

I rest my case

I am one for slagging religion off as a whole because it causes much more trouble that its worth, also I've not mean one religious person who follows their faith without hypocrisy.

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'a superficial familiarity' Holo? I was a born again christian for 20 years and the quote I pasted seems like a fair summary to me.

I don't think it's okay to slag off religions.
But neither do I give them any special protection from criticism.

If my kids were at any organised activity and adults presented the supernatural as fact I would have strong words to say about the adults involved. And if their goal were to shape my childrens' behaviour through such, I wouldn't hold back in my criticism of them.

Religion should be presented to children as it is. As cultural. As a collection of stories.

Erm, if you want them to know it, then teach them it. I'm not Christian and was made it to learn it and was then tested on it at school! It doesn't mean anything to me or dd so why should it be enforced on us?

Porca I reserve the right to call anything gobbledygook that I see fit and uphold your right to do likewise. What difference does it make to you if someone thinks or says your views are gobbledygook? I know people think my views are nonsense but it doesn't worry me or bother me.