to ask, can you all just make it clear whether you are WC or MC?

[bejeezusWC]

so I know whether I value your opinion on any given topic, or whether I will just humour you

I am working class, just so you know. Although 'I pass' for MC, so I may be moving amongst you undetected. be afraid

i aspire to be like you ( if you eat chips peas and gravy with a pie in ONE chippy tray)

Oh I can do that , has to be a chicken and mushroom pie though

not meat and tater?

this is a dilema

But I'm ROYALTY!

In my wc youth in the Midlands I've loved faggots and peas. I'm guessing that they are no longer called faggots in much the same way that the slimming supplement is no longer called Ayds :o

They are still called faggots.

If you were a WC youth , I hate to tell you this, but you are still WC.

I'm talked before about the pot-pourri means of identifying middle classes.

Lower middle classes keep their pot-pourri in ceramic pots.
Middle middle class people keep theirs in sworoffski crystal doo dahs.
Upper middle classes keep their pot pourri in intricate little wooden boxes they picked up in Southern Morocco.
The Working classes would just eat it.
The upper classes would let a swan waddle around their house that had been coated in exotic oils squeezed out of scent glands from top models such as Naomi Campbell.

I have the definitive answer on this.

When you bleed, is it blue or red? If its red you are a peasant and if its blue you are an aristocrat.

The end.

*spits out mouthful of pot-pourri (pronounce pot-pure-ray)

Thought it tasted a bit funny

I'd only eat it if it had brown sauce on.

Decorations:

LC- Hubcaps their Waynella found on a tip.
MC- Twigs and pebbly shit, obviously.
UC- Something handed down from their great great great great great great great Grandfather's favourite mistress.

Does if matter?

You've even gone as far as to have it in your nickname

i have it tattooed on my forehead too

talking of the tip queen--did you all used to scavenge wood and old pram wheels off the tip to make boogies?

I follow my mum's reasoning. If you work, then you're working class. Job done.

Pardon the pun.

We scavenge to we use to call soap box carts (I've no idea why we called them that) but what are 'boogies'?

I suspect they are the same

i think i spelt it wrong! pronounced 'bogeys' (like the stuff that comes out of your nose!)

little go carts- with string to steer -and NO BRAKES!!

Well, we were probably more MC then we thought because we didn't call our carts after human nasal excrement :)

Bogeys - brilliant Bejeezus

Are you really Billy Bradshaw?

God, is this thread STILL going!? Who cares? Yes, we live in a country where there is a class system. Big deal. You want more out of life and you are WC, work your behind off and you will get it.
There will always be people who are luckier, richer and have more advantages than you. They didn't ask for their postion in life, just as we didn't ask for ours. Someone has to be on the bottom of the pile, thats just the way it works and if you don't like it, move up!
Personally, knowing a fair few people at the top of the tree, what seems to be the biggest difference is they don't let their position, class or money define who they are.

Someone has gotten off the wrong side of her horse today.

Enough of this WC solidarity 'I'm one of you' stuff :) I have to say that I agree with horsey. Being WC and a 11+ failure didn't stop me achieving what I have. My kids going to a non-academic state primary didn't stop them beating a lot of prep school and expensively tutored kids to their coveted secondary school places.

A lot of immigrants land on these shores and a generation later their DCs are graduates, many with professional jobs. Their lack of English, money and social class didn't seem to have held them back.

its not about being 'bottom of the pile' and wanting to move 'up'

I am working class, not bottom/lower class

I had a great childhood and enjoy my life. Im not dissatisfied or jealous

I identify as WC. I dont want to be anything other

WC people dont strive to be not WC

I enjoy reminiscing with people who share WC culture horsey- you arent obliged to read the thread if it bores you

I identify with WC.

Its nothing to do with moving up for me in terms of ambition. You can earn the highest salary in the land, and still identify with WC and have your roots there.

For my DC I would like them to be proud of where they come from and understand that with hard work and ambition everything is possible. And no one should ever feel embarrassed about where they and their family is from.