to ask, can you all just make it clear whether you are WC or MC?

[bejeezusWC]

so I know whether I value your opinion on any given topic, or whether I will just humour you

I am working class, just so you know. Although 'I pass' for MC, so I may be moving amongst you undetected. be afraid

i think there needs to be a wall built to defend WC culinary genius

the tory fuckers didn't get away with the pasty tax id they? we'll beat you with our lard ladened pastry

Corned beef comes in a tin

Lovely stuff. Great on sarnies too!

Kappa track suit tops, they were the height of fashion!!

I was raised in a working class town that went even more downhill economically speaking once the British Steel factory closed. Five of us lived in a two bedroom terrace house. Because of the cramped conditions we were expected to stay outside and only to come back in to eat or sleep. Two of the girls at my school had babies before they left school. Three more were single parent mums a year after leaving school.

The destination for 16 year old school leavers would be Woolworths for the girls or a job on the assembly line with their mums while the lads got a job on the shop floor with their dads. Holidays would be Butlins, Blackpool and Spain once cheap package holidays came into existence. The standard uniform for the lad was jeans, hoodies and a baseball cap. At weekends the hoodie would be exchanged for a football shirt. Their car of choice was a cheap pimped up hatchback with noisy spoilers.

I know that not all WC people fall into this 'box' but if you were to ask me what identifies a person as WC I would refer you to the above checklist.

... just remembered. Shell suits. Where I lived it was so popular. This was of course pre-hoodie and baseball cap.

I am MC. I think I probably could pass myself off as Working class like a lot of people do but I know I am middle class so don't bother doing all that 'but my mother was working class so I must be too' stuff.

PooshTun, surely that is just an 'I lived through the 80s' checklist?

I am WC as are many people I know and funnily enough none of them fall into that box poosh

So do you consider yourself WC
Do you tick all those boxes?

poosh you really need to get into the real world. I live on a council estate and I very rarely see people you describe. However parked outside the local private school the other day I saw men and women in hoodies and jeans waiting for their children standing outside their land rover.

How ever I don't give a dam if they are WC/MC or drain rats.

"PooshTun, surely that is just an 'I lived through the 80s' checklist?"

In the 1990s I lived near Peckham, SE London. I then moved to Holloway, N London. I now live near Luton. So, no its not a 80s checklist :)

But do you check the boxes ?

"poosh you really need to get into the real world. I live on a council estate and I very rarely see people you describe."

LST - Come and visit the places I just mentioned living in. THEN come back and tell me that I am making it all up. As it is, you are coming across as a narrow minded person who thinks that just because you haven't experienced something then it can't be true.

poosh I lived in tottenham for 21 years, so can I tell you to get into the real world as your list describes a tiny minority of WC families?

Haha ok then poosh

I think you are extremely 'narrow minded' for tarring everybody with the same brush..
(also vvvv snobby)

Possibly also a mc wannabe? :)

It's Heston. I blame him totally. With his fancy burgers and fucked up scotch eggs.

Poosh - it all depends what your definition of wc is I suppose. Volvo mo thinks you loose your mc badge by going to a state school. If that's the case the type of people you describe are a tiny minority. If you have a broader definition perhaps not.

The class thing is total nonsense. People are people.

"But do you check the boxes ?"

I spent the first 7 years of my life sharing a bedroom with my parents. The next 3 with my older sister. My extra curricular activities consisted of hanging out at the park. I was 19 before I had a holiday which incidentally was my first time abroad. So, yes I ticked some of the boxes in an extended list.

Lose! I meant lose!

Everyone's definition is so different thats the problem.

"The class thing is total nonsense. People are people."

tell that to the Bullingdon club who rule the country and the privilages heaped on the rich, the tax avoidance, the government schemes designed for working class folk to work for free to enhance the big profits of camerons friends.

people are people my arse

I really have to find someone in RL that actually fucking cares! Really I do!

bejeezusWC- I do agree and as I've got older I've tried to stop myself being so judgemental (I once judged one of the neighbours to be a "chav" and she actually turned out to be a student nurse. I was judging her purely on appearance!). That sounds an interesting book.

For me, the judgement of chavs also comes from the fact that in my younger days I was a goth/metalhead/mosher/whatever you want to call us (with a surprisingly high middle class contingent actually, not just WC rebels!) and townies or trendies (as chavs were called then) were our nemesis! At 32, I try not to box people off into neat little labels as much but sometimes I revert back to the 18 year old me!

Does it matter what they say?

Most people do seem to think they're middle class (based on the govt tables, occupation etc, and some trappings of wealth, holidays, number of cars, mortgage, income), but there's far more to defining class than that, in my opinion.