to ask, can you all just make it clear whether you are WC or MC?

[bejeezusWC]

so I know whether I value your opinion on any given topic, or whether I will just humour you

I am working class, just so you know. Although 'I pass' for MC, so I may be moving amongst you undetected. be afraid

"Volvo mo thinks you loose your mc badge by going to a state school"

I suspect that Volvo was doing a bit of trolling when she made that comment. I'm certainly not taking it seriously.

I'd judge somebody who did use the word 'chav', Lucie. Horrible word.

You seemed to be agreeing with an awful lot she said yesterday poosh.......

MC but have quite a big telly. DP has sky sports.

Is sky sports WC?

What if you only have it for the show jumping.

Out of pure I interest only poosh, obv you are from a wc background, what for you personally do you feel that you have now become mc? What factors do you base it on?

I don't know what I am. No idea at all. Sorry. Our telly is quite small though if that helps.

"I spent the first 7 years of my life sharing a bedroom with my parents."

Co-sleeping that's Ap parenting. That quite middle class isn't it?

"You seemed to be agreeing with an awful lot she said yesterday poosh"

I started a thread to solicit opinions on how the 11+ could be made fairer for kids who have potential but don't access to tutoring. Various posters turned up and morphed the thread into one about parents with no social conscience.

So when Volvomo posted about how it was nice to be able to discuss stuff with like minded parents without being flamed by others whose only contribution to the conversation is to insult people then of course I agreed.

Although I suspect she was just trolling, it didn't mean that I agreed with having a separate forum for private school parents.

It is hardly evidence of me agreeing with her comments about MC/WC parents

You must say 'lavatory' (old-fashioned) or 'loo', never toilet. (MIL says so and she knows)

poosh it was the who you both said it. Making it out to be the WC parents who didn't give a toss. That their opinions didn't matter and that they couldn't have a say..

Who I meant way..

"Out of pure I interest only poosh, obv you are from a wc background, what for you personally do you feel that you have now become mc? What factors do you base it on?"

As a lot of people have said upthread, a lot of people don't neatly fall into either box. I consider myself one of these people.

Income wise I pay more in taxes than most people earn. My kids are at private school. I live in a big-ish house in an affluent area. You couldn't pay me enough to watch East Enders, Corrie, Big Brother or any reality show :) To some, the above makes me MC.

On the flip side, I have never held a formal dinner party (dinner around the kitchen table with a couple of close friends doesn't count) nor have I ever attended one. I drive a 10 year old Honda hatch. I'm not a member of the PTA. I think the Royal Family are a bunch of spongers.

I was talking about the class system to a Hong Kong Chinese friend and he was saying that in HK the people are divided up into people with no money, people with some money and people with lots of money.

This focus on money many not be palatable to some who think that talking about about money is sooo lacking in class but it is a much more fair way of thinking. I mean, there is none of the crap about having the wrong accent or going to the wrong school or how your parents weren't of the right class.

"poosh it was the who you both said it. Making it out to be the WC parents who didn't give a toss. That their opinions didn't matter and that they couldn't have a say"

Just because I agree with some of what Volvo said doesn't mean that I agree with all that she said and the way that she said it.

If I didn't think it was worth hearing the opinions of others that don't share my opinions then I wouldn't be posting here

LST A tin, gosh! I shall have a word with cook, she may well have heard of it. I wonder if Fortnums sell it?

I once confused a waiter when I asked him where the 'rest room' was. 'Oh, you mean the toilet' he said in a loud voice for all to hear.

Oh yes control please do! It's a taste sensation!

So we catorgorise people in terms of how much money they have?

Oh yes that's so much better, so super rich, rich, comfortable, poor, on the breadline??

Just goes to show, you can have all the money in the world but it can buy class

As for paying more in tax than most people earn in a year, you have absolutely no idea what any of our family incomes are but if it makes you feel important to think you are the highest paid poster here, go ahead.

I suspect you may be wrong.....

Pompous..

I am terribly posh. I even poo fragrantly.

Tantrum - I was asked if I felt that I was middle class. I made the point that I had a middle class income. If you saw that as stealth boast and feel a need to hint at how much more money you have then don't let me stop you.

As for your comment about categorising people by how much money they have, the British elite is made up of rich people who were born into privilege. You can study hard, get an Oxbridge degree and even land a well paid job. But if you come from the wrong social background a lot of doors will be closed to you.

Isn't is so much more civilised doing the British way eh? I mean categoring them by their accents, whether they live north or south of the Thames, whether they went to a poly, redbrick or RG university? Whether they holiday in Spain or Provence etc etc.

So please do tell me how the British are so much better than those damned materialistic Chinese former colonials?

If I win the lottery will I automatically become posh?

I recon you can tell a posh person by how many nautical type clothes they own :)

The number of green wellies by the front door is a better indicator IMO. The more worn and dirty they are the more MC you are.

Ok firstly I think the whole system of putting people into categories is ridiculous in any way, shape or form.

Secondly, you clearly was not just answering that you were on a middle class income otherwise you would have said that, you felt the need to boost yourself up whilst putting other people in their place i pay more in tax than most people earn in a month
And I wasn't saying I earn more money than you because a, I don't know how much you earn and b, I don't care.
I'm just saying there are other well paid professionals on mn.

Thirdly, the fact that you seem to believe people cannot be successful, go to top universities, etc without knowing the right people, going to the right schools etc is the exact reason I object to the class system, and tbh that is a very untrue view of the world IMHO perpetrated by people who have to justify their success or failure in their lives.
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"you seem to believe people cannot be successful, go to top universities, etc without knowing the right people, going to the right schools etc .... that is a very untrue view of the world IMHO"

:o. Jeeze, you are so naive. The alumni at our school includes entrepreneurs, CEOs, partners in major law firms. Guess where these kids will be going for their work experience placements and internships? Here is a clue. It won't be on the check out at Sainsburys

SIL is a corporate lawyer at a major American bank based in London. They only recruit from Oxbridge and of this years intake 80% were privately educated.

Everybody is screaming about the inequities of the system and here you are telling me that this view of the world is untrue because you say so. :o