To not have sex with my partner

[WhiteWidow]

Because yet again I have the most horrific shaving rash! He says he doesn't mind but I do... Now I feel silly

While we're here does anyone else suffer from the BURN and HORRID ingrown hairs? How do you prevent them.. I'm sick to death.

I wish I could just go all european and not do hair removal but it makes me itchy thinking about it.

but it can't be any coincidence that this huge trend for naked fanjos has happened at the same time as the rise of Internet porn

Or maybe more women are just a lot more confident about their bodies these days, and shave because they WANT to. Shaved or not, I would never look anything like a porn star, nor would I want to. I shave because I find it more comfortable, feels cleaner, and because it it my body hair to do as I wish with.

And I am 42.

Yeah, shit, why aren't we more like them Egyptians?! I think we should really all be shagging our close relatives, surrendering realistic perspective in visual arts, and pulling the brains of our loved ones out of their noses with hooks when they die.

Or ... um ... not?

Really LDR? The Female Eunuch - A good read about women and control over their own bodies. Covers everything from grooming to medicine.

I can wash thanks , didn't realise you got your doctor to teach you. Did you go private? Been washing a while longer than shaving my fanny. I wash my underarms, shave them and use deodorant. Having more than one method to keep clean doesn't mean I am not capable of using soap.

I'm 34 I've been taking it all off for at least 0 years, nothing to do with porn.

I'm not sure if it makes men look bigger. It does mean I don't get stray pubes in my mouth though

Bewildered by the itchy comment. I have never shaved said area (and no longer anywhere else), and it doesn't itch. Perhaps you just need time to grow it out? Epsom salts can loosen ingrown hairs by the way.

10 years! Bloody phone

We actually are a lot like the Egyptians, their methods of embalming are the basis for how you treat our dead now. Their building work was amazing too. My point was that pubic hair removal has been going on for many many years, not just since the 80's.

I'm a year too young, at 34, but since was 18.I just don't like the feel of it on myself. I don't care what other women do.

Hilly I've been defuzzing regularly for about 27 years. So definitely pre-internet. I have always been ahem very hairy in that area and wearing swimming costumes/bikinis was a nightmare! And I didn't like how it looked or how it felt. SO I started getting rid. And this was before any sexual relations began so there is no way that I did it for aesthetics reasons that may be pleasing for a man.

So you're wrong in my case

I really dislike this insinuation and connection between hair removal and porn/7 year old girls, whatever. It's quite insulting :(

debeez, surely either you know basic hygeine, or you think you need to shave off your hair in order to stay clean? Even you must see there is a certain contradiction there, right?

I accept that some people have medical conditions where it is genuinely very hard to feel clean ... but it is so extreme that shaving hair is the answer, you need IMO to seek proper guidance, no?

When it first came through I nicked one of my dads razors and shaved it all off, I was 10 at the time

Hygienic, more hygienic. Clean, cleaner. Difference.

Sweat clings to hair, no hair and a nice pair of breathable cottons goes a long way. Maybe I'm a sweaty betty but I can't help that.

i have a quick tidy round in that area every now and again and always use nivea for men after shave balm as it helps to avoid a shaving rash if its good enough for DHs chin its good enouigh for my fanjo

I was the first out of my girlfriends to have a brazillian, that was 13 years ago. Now, many of them get their fanjos stripped bare regularly. One single gent, who i was talking about it was aghast that there were married women who weren't permanently bald in their pants. He does shag girls in their 20's tho lucky sad bastard.

deb -honestly, no, we do not treat our dead by buring them in the sand until they are dessicated, or by putting their organs in canopic jars. If they think so, someone has been telling you porkies. In the sense that Egyptians embalmed their dead, like much of the world's populations, yes, we are also like much of the world's populations.

I do not quite see why this proves the Egyptians' attitudes towards hair are helpful. Quite a lot of middle eastern countries either do, or historically have, commonly had women remove their body hair prior to marriage. But these same countries have - like many places in the world - curtailed women's rights horribly. Does it somehow seem good to you that current porn uses the same visual tropes. Why!?

So, in the case of the Ancient Egyptians, the fashion can be traced to the Pharao's wife, even though there must have been lots of upper class women who never even met her, let alone saw her fanjo - the fashion would have spread by word of mouth, women copying their friends, men suggesting it to their partners ...

The current fashion comes from porn and you don't have to have ever seen any porn or even thought about it for that to be the case. Fashions spread virally but they always originate somewhere.

So you are only 20 now WW? That's exactly what I mean - you think it's the done thing because it is the done thing since you became of an age where you needed to think about these things. But why has it suddenly become the done thing, after hundreds of years of not being the done thing?

Forget the Egyptians for a minute, they are a red herring in this context, (and Indian/Arab/Middle Eastern women have historically been much more obsessed with body hair removal than Caucasian women because their hair has tended to be thicker/darker and more in evidence on their bodies) let's focus on relatively modern history for Western and European women. When did it become the done thing to routinely wax our fanjos?

I'm under 30 and don't do anything at all to my fanjo hair, never have done.
It certainly wasn't fashionable to shave it when/where I grew up, rumours of 'brazilians' and such started to spread when I was about seventeen but noone I knew had one or wanted one. It all came from Mizz and then Sex in the City.

I don't like the look of shaved fanjos at all and cannot imagine the upkeep or pain levels - as for getting someone else to do it for me, eek! I don't feel the need to touch it at all, I don't have anything long enough to poke out of a swimming costume and a nice neat triangle of unoffensive, mousey blond silky hair. I would feel ridiculous without mine.

oh crossed posts LRD and POPG!!!

I just could not sacrifice 'clean' for 'cleaner'. This bit of my body is important. Why would you think 'hmm, I won't be so clean, but fuck it, I will look nice'?. Would you also pluck all the hair out of your nostrils, and accept you risked catching illnesses more easily, while saying 'oh, but I feel so much nicer!'

I'm 32 though I think that's irrelevant but I get it waxed and use a spray after for no ingrown hairs. If u wax regularly u will get hardly any regrowth and if u use the same beautician after the first trip it's not embarrasing.

there are upsides to waxing the whole lot off, like better sensation during sexytiems, Shaving IMHO is far too disruptive on mah sensitive ladyparts and there is the CONSTANT itchy of regrowth.

The times I had it waxed it was itchy when it was regrowing, and the main reason I don't do it any more is that every time I had it waxed, it hurt so much that copious amounts of weed and booze were consumed. I can't smoke weed for health reasons, so it's back to au naturel bush for me. BF doesn't care.

I sometimes take of the stuff that pokes outta the knickers, but there is NO WAY ON EARTH anything that faces the floor is coming off again.

As for OP's rash, well if it's making sex uncomfortable YANBU, if not, meh.

Yes we are also like many other cultures, my point was you stated the Egyptian's brought nothing of value to modern culture. Thier methods of embalming have been modified and brought into the present.

The Egyptian's attitude towards hair was in reference to another poster stating that hair removal was a relatively modern practice correlating only to the rise internet porn. When in fact it has been used in many cultures for various reasons.

Thirdly, yes some cultures that practice hair removal have a history or bad attitudes to women. SOME. Also a bad attitude to women does not immediately discount that entire culture or their practices.

Some of those cultures have a habit of telling women what they choose to with their own bodies is wrong or perverted. Rings a few bells here.

Before the current fashion, when was the last time it was common for women in the UK to shave their fanjos? Before my gran's time (and she'd be 113 this year).