to think a biological child is not a right

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and the NHS should not fund IVF in favour of vital medications for already existing people e.g. cancer drugs being funded?

I'm feeling masochistic this evening and am looking forward to munching on some biscuits and getting my ass handed to me.

"Skimmed the thread and the general content seems to be: I want I want I want, I WANT I GET, mixed in with a healthy dose of "cunt" and "piss off""

In that case I would suggest that you read the thread a little more carefully and reflect on why most people didn't much discuss whether IVF should or shouldn't be provided on the NHS but on the unpleasant gloating tone of your OP.

FWIW if you want to debate it I did provide plenty of information as to why your comparison of IVF with cancer treatment was specious so please do free feel to comment.

Actually I have just read all 352 posts - 2 "fuck offs" and one "cunt" (though there was a description of the post as "cunty" so that may count). I think you got off lightly all in all.

Way up thread someone said...

"It's a nasty OP but the discussion has largely been pretty balanced and sensible"

Perhaps you'd like to think a little more and hopefully get bored and insensitive a little less.

I think that there is a moral right for us all to benefit from scientific advance whether it's with regard to ivf, cancer care or abortion. The fact that 'we' are denied these advances because 'the man' says it's too expensive is the issue.

No one has the 'right' to not die from a burst appendix, to have their broken leg fixed or to antibiotics...

I have written and rewritten this post endlessly, but just cannot find words that won't be extremely offensive to the OP.

Expat - don't bother - OP has watched the thread for 3 days relieving her boredom and now the thread has quietened down has come and posted a blatantly ridiculous post just to keep her in reading material for a few more days. I really wouldn't waste your typing fingers.

I have to disagree, dudeypants. Abortion is way cheaper than IVF. And, in terms of public health benefits, it is way more beneficial to have free abortion on demand than free IVF.

Which is not an argument against publicly-funded IVF. And if you think abortion is murder, then of course costs and benefits won't sway you.

Of course ivf should be a right. My parents and alot of their generation were unable to have children, don't know why. (wish somebody would do research into this by the way), There were hundreds of thousands of babies to adopt and they could literally take their pick. Now there are no babies to adopt and science and technology has improved and ivf has benefitted many. How dare you say they shouldn't be entitled to such help. You are truly insensitive and nasty to boot.
Cupcakes, I am sorry for your failed cycle.

OP you seem to be rather ill-informed.
Suggesting that IVF treatment is given at the expense of cancer treatment shows that you have no understanding of the NHS or budgets or, well - how any 'business' works.

No one has come on here saying "I want I want" - women who have received NHS IVF treatment have shown they are appreciative and do not have a unrealistic sense of entitlement.

I have had - and paid for - 4 (unsuccessful) IVF cycles. I have paid because North Yorkshire PCT do not offer IVF treatment. At all.
I have received my treatment in Leeds, at the same clinic and alongside women who live 10 miles away from me but are entitled to 3 NHS cycles.
But I accept that the NHS prioritises what it needs to in order that the local needs be met.

You - OP - should be embarrassed to have publicly displayed not only your lack of empathy and your unpleasant nature, but your ignorance of how a system which you probably avail of regularly (the NHS) actually works.

Wow, op, you really do seem like a nasty piece of work, have you actually read any of the arguments against your ill informed point of view?

Wow.

Do you really not give a flying one who you hurt with your two mightily nasty posts?

Women who want infertility treatment are all 'I Want I Want'? Like they want new shoes, or a night out at a posh restaurant?

Oh my gosh. You really have no clue.

Except, I suspect you have EVERY clue what upset you're causing. Nasty.

Must be getting some sort of a perverse kick from causing outrage, sad really.

bingo!

Mumsnet bingo no 34, come back and tell everyone what awful parental role models they must be.

HOUSE!I win.

Only just noticed this is an old thread. I really shouldn't have risen to it - damn. OP is so clearly a wind up merchant. Good luck to all IVFers. May your dreams come true. x

it's only 3 days old Expat

Yes - only three days old and it already smells a bit ripe!

I meant more that the OP was long gone.

I just had a look at your comments on other threads OP, and I'm not surprised you've posted this thread. You seem to have your judgey pants on and hold your opinion in high regard. Next time you want some entertainment why don't you just go watch telly instead.

What a surprise !!
An article pertaining to this drivel on today's online
Daily Fail.
Shoddy work OP,
Lazy research methinks ...........

is it the Amanda Platell piece bumdrop? What a vile article. She wrote one a while back about how sad she always feels about not being a mum at Christmastime, still manages to have a dig at women who have 'left it too late'.

Ha - well Amanda Platell is just an arse:

2006 she rants on about how fat people shouldn't be denied IVF saying ""The British Fertility Society has urged the Government to ban fat women from free IVF treatment on the NHS on the grounds that being overweight reduces success rates and adds to health risks. No doubt it is also attractive to the Government as another way of saving money in the increasingly cash- strapped NHS, despite the fact that one cycle of IVF, at around £2,500, only costs about the same as removing varicose veins"

yet today she blethers on about how women of 40+ shouldn't be offered IVF on the NHS saying "News that the cash-strapped NHS is being advised to spend its precious resources giving IVF to women in their 40s left me speechless. How in a civilised society can we put the demands of women who choose to have late babies to fit into th...eir busy schedules on a par with saving the lives of women and men with life-threatening cancer, or the elderly who languish neglected in our wards?
Why should taxpayers fork out millions of pounds for the lifestyle choices of women who for decades put themselves and their careers first"

Argh what a completely fucking twatty thing to say.

There are all manners of reasons why you may need IVF that age.

OP
I had ovarian cancer at 27, I had my ovaries taken away so my biological ability to have children was removed. THat caused me more sadness than actually having cancer.

I opted for IVF with Egg donation. However I paid for it all, I was fortunate to be able to cough up £20k in total to do this. If I hadn't been able to fund it, I would not have my beautiful children.

Infertility is all consuming pain and wretchedness. Reproduction is why us creatures are on this earth. Not being able to have children gnaws at your very soul in the most indescribable way. Becoming a parent has been one of the most amazing experiences I have EVER had.

NHS money is wasted on inefficiencies in the system, idiots not turning up to appointments and as someone pointed out, drunks. I am sure if someone totted up the cost of IVF v the cost of dealing with idiots on a Saturday night, people going to A&E with a splinter, the latter would far outweigh the former.

I believe that IVF should be available to whomever needs it. However, my concern is that by making IVF available to the over 40s, you instil in them an unreasonable expectation that it is going to work. By your mid 40s, you have only a 0.25% chance of it working.

That is 1 in 400!!!

I also blame older celebrities having babies and spouting all this nonsense about 'macrobiotic diets and yoga' for helping them conceive, when it is blatantly obvious that they used another (younger) woman's eggs.

When I went for my first visit to the GP after having tried and failed to get pregnant for two years in my mid 30s, the fucking moron doctor told me not to give up because look at all the celebrities who have babies in their forties .

I know people who have had children naturally in their 40s. Everyone is different, which is why 39 is a shit cut-off age.

I was 39 having IVF and 40 giving birth. I was called a 'bad responder' with a bad ovarian reserve but it did work for me and I stayed pregnant.

Some of these older celebrities are having children naturally.