to think a biological child is not a right

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and the NHS should not fund IVF in favour of vital medications for already existing people e.g. cancer drugs being funded?

I'm feeling masochistic this evening and am looking forward to munching on some biscuits and getting my ass handed to me.

I have found babysitting very similar to parenting tis true. Got bored with travelling.

Is it OK to have children if you carbon offset? I wonder how much you would have to pay to carbon offset your child

As my child is adopted, does someone have to pay me their carbon offsetting amount? Am warming to the idea.

Stop it everyone!
Yes yes yes, our grandmothers would have been born during or soon after WW1 but not our MUMS.
So wot she said was rubbish.

Like me, I am nearly 45 -, my mum is 70, if my grandma was still with me she would be 100 ish.
But she had mum in 1942 which was quite a while after WW1.
If that mad post had said 'widowed in WW11' I would have been - yeah whatever.

So you lot are just being pedantic and picky

Sorry I'm going off on tangents but I guess it's partly that 13 pages in response to such a horrible OP with no further input from them seems like enough to me ?

It's been interesting & good in places - but what more is there to say ?

"Sorry I'm going off on tangents" that's OK oranges - we kinda expect it from you (with your name n'all)

< waves to Kew >

I know Juggling, it was a horrible OP. But I for one have been very encouraged at a thread where most people have shown a lot of understanding towards others :) So kudos to everyone who's made something good out of this thread.

Well big surprise (sarcastic) ivf is all over the news this morning.

Amazing, that

Listening to the Today programme was just like reading this thread. Fancy that

< waves to Today programme researchers - I start the day with Classic FM myself though these days, just a bit more peaceful, alarm on at 7. 07 thank you ! >

There's none of that stressful "ANSWER THE QUESTION MINISTER YES OR NO YES OR NO" on Classic FM.

I am currently pregnant after spending $60k on IVF. I don't mind paying, I could afford it. But not everyone can. And actually having a biological child is the most natural thing in the world, so it is a right.

I agree with Bunty : YABAC (you are being a cunt).

Oh, was this a journalist? Not a first post though? horrid.

"NICE says the current age limit of 39 should be raised to 42 for women who have no other chance of conceiving"

I agree! I was just days shy of being 40 when I had IVF (Successfully) and only got it through an appeal. My appeal was successful on the basis that my GP had faffed around so much with my referral that I had just missed the 39 year old cut off.

Fanjo - most private clinics have a cut off of 43 so 42 on NHS sounds reasonable to me. I also think the NHS are missing a trick by not offering "private" IVF at a reasonable price and using the money to fund the NHS treatment. I know thats probably a bit radical!

I would so prefer to believe that the OP was a journalist rather than an unpleasant arse

i quite like today for that reason..it seems to aim to generate the quotation material for the whole days news. and it is actually really good at getting politicians to say daft things rather than The Party Line.

though i'd have thought a R4 researcher would have written a better post?

no?

world population at nearing 9 billion,no space or resources left for plants or animals,pollution & climate change ,unwanted disabled children , war orphans & street children ;-women leaving it too late to conceive should at least consider their role on the planet ,get a dog,join Greenpeace & baby sit ,to see if they have what it takes!!

I think you should petition the government to allow intercountry adoption more easily to mop up all those war orphans saragj.

Anyone who thinks babysitting or dog walking prepares you for parenthood doesn't have children. Not sure why joining Greenpeace would prepare you for parenthood

Anyone that concerned about the state of the planet should indeed not have children.

IVF is not particularly effective for "women leaving it too late to conceive" unless you're in the reals of egg donation which wasn't particularly under discussion here. Much more effective for young women with specific fertility issues eg damaged fallopian tubes

"women leaving it too late to conceive should at least consider their role on the planet ,get a dog,join Greenpeace & baby sit ,to see if they have what it takes"

jkust the women leaving it too late? Not the men, and not anyone else - they have no duty or responsibility for anything no? they can continue to churn out their own biological children and watch the barren deal with the population crisis and babysit other kids?

what a totally ill-thought out suggestion.

Why haven't you answered my questions saragj?

Because of course, it's only women who "leave it too late" who struggle to conceive.

Anyway, what do I know. I should just get a dog even though I don't like dogs.

""women leaving it too late to conceive"

i usually leave it until about 10pm. is that too late?

do i have to look for babysitting now?

I do have a lovely picture in my mind of saragj in front of an adoption panel explaining why she wants to adopt and what preparation she has had - panel will be particularly impressed with the dog walking i think.

Actually I did witter on about babysitters (getting one) in the first 5 minutes of my panel and I passed so she'll probably be fine.