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Original poster

To be really annoyed with my soon to be landlord.

196 replies

wonderstuff · 03/05/2012 22:55

He has refused to move out his washing machine - I have a really nice washing machine - I want my washing machine in my house. I've agreed to pay his mortgage +++ for a year I don't want to have to store his bloody washing machine. Grr. Hate renting.

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Morloth · 04/05/2012 09:48

What does your lease say about white goods? Have you signed it yet? Is it a dealbreaker if not? If you have signed it and it said there would be whitegoods then why did you sign it?

Offer to buy the current white goods off him and then unload them.

ButteryBiscuitBase · 04/05/2012 09:52

I agree about being at the mercy of stupid agents! Our last house was a tiny 2 bed. I signed my tennancy agreement 3 days before finding out I was pg with dc 2. I rang and explained and asked if I could come out early given my circumstance, I was told I could pay to re_advertise the house at a cost of 200 pounds and would be liable for the rent until they found someone to move in. Impossible financially so we had to stay for another year.

Luckily I am renting privately from someone I know this time so no agents involved. I feel much more 'at home' this time.

I'd explain to the landlord about your machine being more suitable and ask I'd you could sell his?

LRDtheFeministDragon · 04/05/2012 09:53

I can't believe the responses on this thread. Tenants aren't pond scum, you know, they do actually have legal rights.

The OP has not yet said she agreed to rent the place with the washing machine in place - why are people ticking her off about it?

OP, if your tenancy agreement says the place will be unfurnished, you do not have to store his machine for him. Of course.

If the inventory mentions the washing machine, sorry, TBH you really should have checked and not made assumptions. Chalk it up to experience.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 04/05/2012 09:55

Btw, I do love the ignorant entitlement of 'whatever your situation it's not your landlord's fault'.

Really, betty? Whatever the situation ... with the rented property ... the landlord is by definition not at fault?

No, that is the sort of stupid entitled bollocks some bad landlords like to believe.

MissFaversham · 04/05/2012 09:57

Oh poor you OP, I feel you pain. My sister is in the same position as you and I don't envy private renting, I'd never feel secure. Sis also pays bloody £1,400 a month for A 2 bed flat! robbing bastard landlords It's in a nice part of town though.

I'm lucky enough to be a sitting tennat in a housing trust place, it's a one bed though and I have a DS but have a lovely little garden.

Noqontrol · 04/05/2012 09:57

I used to rent out a house and I would have moved the washing machine if the tenant had asked. For one I wouldn't have had to then pay for the washer if it broke down, and secondly a years rent would be worth a lot more to me from hopefully a decent tenant, than the price of the washing machine (which I would have stored in the shed for next time.)

Floggingmolly · 04/05/2012 10:01

If the house comes furnished, it's perfectly reasonable to expect to find a washing machine already installed.

If there wasn't, and you didn't happen to have your own, would you think it reasonable to have to supply one yourself?
Why should he store your washing machine for a year is the real question.

DublinMammy · 04/05/2012 10:02

We rent out a house (can't sell, worth half what we paid, thank you banks, government and property developers in Ireland!) and if the tenant wanted me to move the washing machine so she could have her own I would happily do it and fill up my shed with it or give/sell it to someone. It's a business, you try to keep your tenants happy, within reason, and this is a reasonable request.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 04/05/2012 10:05

flogging - it's pretty simple, really. You read the tenancy agreement and the inventory. You discuss it with the LL/Agent if need be. Then you expect to provide whatever is not provided. And you expect to throw away/have moved out whatever is not.

echt · 04/05/2012 10:07

Why is the OP being bashed here? Unless I've missed something, the OP hasn't said whether the washing machine was in the deal. If it was they are BU, if not, not.

OP could you clarify?

We rented a couple of years ago: an "unfurnished" house which had a massive black ash monster display cabinet which the LL refused to move. It was fucking horrible, falling apart, and blighted our lives. The cellar was full of pots of paint for "maintenance", i.e. storing their property at our expense, oh, and a giant ladder which was chained up so we couldn't use it, taking up cellar space we needed.

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 04/05/2012 10:08

Yes really LRD - abit like the time when my tenants decided to not bother paying my rent. I had to give 2 months notice, the council advised them to stay so I then had to get a court order and involve the bailiffs.......mind you the tenants were lovely and left me a shitty pair of underpants as a goodbye present. There are loads more things these particular tenants did but thats another story.

Most of my tenants have been brill though and I am a good LL. I dont feel a sense of entitlement at all thanks very much - it's a 2 way street you know, and LL's are not pond life either, we are just people trying to get on in life same as everyone else.

I would happily have moved the washing machine, but some people live by the book and have no flexibility, LL or tenant!

Original poster
wonderstuff · 04/05/2012 10:09

Noqontrol that is exactly the response I was hoping for from my landlord. But not a deal breaker, have given agency deposit to secure - I may ask landlord if I can buy his and install mine. I've loved renting this house, its not the renting, its the insecurity that bugs me. Just downloaded council housing register form..

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BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 04/05/2012 10:10

and also LRD - how is it her soon to be LL's fault about the OP's living/financial situation. How am I ignorant - go on, I'm intrigued!

LRDtheFeministDragon · 04/05/2012 10:11

betty, what does that have to do with the OP? And why do you think bad tenants mean you can discount the law? Tenants have rights. You clearly have a sense of entitlement, because you assume the landlord cannot be at fault.

Many landlords are lovely people. But a few bad ones give the rest a very bad name.

TeWiDoesTheHulaInHawaii · 04/05/2012 10:11

Well I'm sympathetic OP, do check to see if it was listed as part of the inventory because if it's not you are in a better position to argue.

I second asking around friends if they might have a shed/garage you could store your washing machine in, or asking for a quote from a storage unit, for a few quid a month they would be worth keeping just in case you need them at a later move.

Loopy, I don't care if you're having a tough time you were extremely rude.

LRDtheFeministDragon · 04/05/2012 10:12

betty - you said the LL is not at fault for the OP's situation. I pointed out that, since the situatio she describes in the OP relates to her tenancy, he could be.

It's very simple, isn't it?

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 04/05/2012 10:13

LRD - I was explaining to you how sometimes the LL seems to have no rights - I wasnt actually talking about the OP's situation in that bit at all.

I dont have a sense of entitlement, I am sure they are some dire landlords out there who are totally unscrululous, I dont doubt that at all. I also said that if I were OP's LL I WOULD have moved the washing machine, I was merely explaining that the soon to be LL is NOT responsible for any reason the OP has to be renting...that is not his fault in case you misread what I said.

Kladdkaka · 04/05/2012 10:13

OP, why not just stick it in a corner somewhere, cover it with a table cloth and stick a lamp or plantpot on top?

Original poster
wonderstuff · 04/05/2012 10:17

I don't know if it is in the tenancy agreement, it probably is - we put down money before we looked through it - property goes so quickly and is so scarce in our chosen village we wanted to secure it asap and as questions later, which may seem daft but we have been looking for months and this is the only suitable property that has come up, we know of one other we would have liked that went without being advertised. I suspect most private rental here goes through word of mouth.

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LRDtheFeministDragon · 04/05/2012 10:17

Fair enough, I can see that at times it can feel tough to be a LL and clearly your tenants were awful. That must have been pretty rotten.

But, I do think it's a bit off to say that the LL isn't at fault before we hear the full story. We do need to know if the OP is at fault for not checking the inventory, or if the LL has taken advantage.

I'm sorry, I probably went OTT, I just felt you were saying LL can't be at fault in the situation, when, of course, he could be.

klad - she's rented the space. You're assuming she has quite a big place, I think.

Just saying that because maybe it explains why the OP might be so upset? If she is renting somewhere where space is at a premium, a washing machine could be really in the way?

LRDtheFeministDragon · 04/05/2012 10:18

cross-post. wonder, you need to check. You should have checked before you moved in.

Go find the inventory and look.

Original poster
wonderstuff · 04/05/2012 10:20

Kladdkaka it isnt that big a house!

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ravel · 04/05/2012 10:21

i would not give my washing machine away. i would install mine and stick his somewhere - god knows. there must be some corner you could hide it away in. even an attic? sure - very hard to get it up there but worth it if you're going to be there for years?

inabeautifulplace · 04/05/2012 10:22

Betty I'd just like to point out that in the example you gave, the Landlord still has more rights than the tenant.

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wonderstuff · 04/05/2012 10:22

We aren't in yet - we move in a couple of months - I will obviously check before we move - dh dealing with agents- I haven't seen tenancy agreement yet. I will thourghly check inventry - but won't have any negotiating power over it iyswim.

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