Football culture is far more harmful to women's rights and wellbeing than porn culture.

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For a start, football culture gives a far more pervasive, wide-ranging and monolithic message: men are gods and women are either decorative accessories or foodstuff. It's misogyny and toxic masculinity encapsulated. Never mind the fact that the England women's football team have apparently won the world cup more often than the England men's team: there's the whole WAG thing, where being someone's appendage is a prize girls are told to covet, yet if they actually try to seek this prize they are demonized as sluts and gold-diggers, there's the way in which rape is seen as far more forgivable than being gay... and hard evidence that violence against women has a big upsurge every time there's a major football match on.

I've come to the conclusion that porn culture, football culture and celebrity culture are all part of the same thing - popular culture. Other participants include music culture, comedy culture etc.

When you deconstruct all of them, they are all pretty misogynistic, because we still live in the patriarchy and we haven't yet managed to invent a culture not totally steeped in patriarchal assumptions. Porn though, is unique in having always been outside the mainstream and never having even tried in any serious, sustained way, to get to grips with the idea that women are people and sexuality is much more than what patriarchy tells us it is

Did you all miss the clues when the op said they were a Proper Writer?

It's either liz jones or one of him off channel fives researchers.

at the idea that SGB is Liz Jones. I can assure you, rhonda, that SGB is neither Liz Jones, nor a Channel 5 researcher.....

I think then we should just ban football really.
Hate football, no skin of my nose.

What do you advise your female sexworker friends?

Completely agree with the OP.
And as for the poster who said they had hidden the feminist boards so they "didn't have to read such a load of tosh".....

Aw Porto you have spoilt my fun... That'll teach me to read who posted in future though.

Although.

She could have had her account hacked by lj!

Thanks MNHQ for moving thread back to AIBU.

I think Chat would have been a better topic really.

Not that I care where anyone posts, but MNHQ do tend to want things all present and correct.

but you are not asking if you are being unreasonable or not.. you are just informing us of your opinion...

And 'watching'....don't forget the watching Lmao!

amillionyears - You know many feminists really object to the term sex worker saying that it makes what is an abusive set up, just seem like any other kind of work?

Well fortunately my dh has taken the Man U loss in his stead. After reading those stats earlier in the thread I am really hoping that no other woman will suffer tonight.

"I am really hoping that no other woman will suffer tonight." - not in this house, but some shirts will be getting a very thorough ironing.

What a pity all men whose teams lost didn't think to iron their shirts instead of punching the women they live with.

There's an idea for fighting violence against women.

Football is no different to pop culture. That Cole / Tweedy woman assaulted a black toilet attendant for no reason and yet people still buy her records and vote in on her TV shows etc and let their daughters dance around to her tunes.

The Creaseless Society.

My face is even sterner than usual after the result, but I'm hoping that Alan Pardew or Sparky will soon be the recipients of the legendary case of fine wine from Fergie

It's so lovely to read on MN that we can make jokes about domestic violence.

It's a shame that's your interpretation of it, Porto.

My interpretation? Stats say that DV increases on nights like tonight, especially where people are heavily invested in the result. And people are joking about ironing? So hopefully NO MAN is going to be pissed off, drink too much and take it out on his partner later? Well I hope that, but the police stats seem to say different. Ha bloody Ha!

Yes, I know this Porto. It was me, and someone else possibly who posted those stats. somewhere up thread. It isn't a joke at all.

I really wouldn't play into the OP's hands here and fall out with each other to be honest.

This thread seems to have been posted with exactly that intention.

No, SGB is a long term poster. She has strong opinions that others might not always agree with. She is not a stirrer though.

I don't know the poster, but read stuff like this on feminist blogs that are serious. Just because a subject is controversial doesn't always mean that someone is stirring.