Football culture is far more harmful to women's rights and wellbeing than porn culture.

[solidgoldbrass]

For a start, football culture gives a far more pervasive, wide-ranging and monolithic message: men are gods and women are either decorative accessories or foodstuff. It's misogyny and toxic masculinity encapsulated. Never mind the fact that the England women's football team have apparently won the world cup more often than the England men's team: there's the whole WAG thing, where being someone's appendage is a prize girls are told to covet, yet if they actually try to seek this prize they are demonized as sluts and gold-diggers, there's the way in which rape is seen as far more forgivable than being gay... and hard evidence that violence against women has a big upsurge every time there's a major football match on.

if you go on twitter and find @thefadotcom you can send the FA a direct message.

the OP started this thread to light touchpaper and start an argument between the feminists and anyone who dares to disagree with them

Actually, the OP was pilloried for her opinions for most of the first page of responses. It's more like "anyone who dares to express a feminist opinion" on here than "anyone who dares to disagree with 'the feminists'" IMO. Hardly brave to post an anti feminist opinion on a board where the majority of posters are as dismissive of feminism as you are.

yabu
1 there are a lot of woman football fans.
2 WAGS they are not forced into it, they chose to be WAGS

your other points yanbu
but tbh I am getting fed up with everyone who likes football or plays it being painted with the same brush.
(disclaimer I hate it)

EldritchCleavage

"So the rape/roasting is not isolated to footballers, it's something a lot of ordinary young men are doing"

Could you provide evidence for this please.

Sanjeev
"'It was announced on the local radio this morning that due to tonight's Manchester Derby, they were expecting an increase in DV calls! '

Wasn't this sort of thing dismissed earlier in this thread as an urban myth, based upon a spurious comment made by someone in the USA many years ago (something to do with the Superbowl, I think)?"

Sssssh you'll spoil the myth.

its amazing some of these footballers have time to do training, the amount of sexual abuse of women they have to fit in

why do you think local police forces are so interested in maintaining a myth bbj?

the figures on that particular baseball game may have been wrong; the assertion that violence against women rises every time there is a big sports event, is not wrong. ask any domestic violence unit.

interesting that some men are so eager to deny domestic violence.

It's not a myth Boney:
"The Home Office says that during the last World Cup, on England match days, the number of domestic violence cases rose by around 25%.
On the day England were eliminated from the competition that figure rose to more than 30%"
news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/15645330

yes but everyone knows that the home office is run by radical feminists who hate men and want to exaggerate there violence against women, mrsr.

oh, wait...

their webern.

bloody voice recognition

www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/superbowl.asp

its obviously just snopes

their even, even god dammit.

Can we nail this DV and football tournaments a bit?

stats from Manchester

I was involved in this action, and DV units across G/T M/c recorded similar stuff, and always did since recording DV call outs were commenced.

Boney - quoting from a US report of one game 19 years ago needs to be put into a UK and more recent context with 'reports' backed up by stats.

why are you focusing on the superbowl?

the home office doesn't measure violence around the superbowl

do you think the home office is inventing these figures?

Oh i'm sorry I forgot that we were in feminism territory and all "facts" other than bonafied feminist facts are not relivent.

I will leave you to it.

bbj is not interested in finding out facts about dv, pan.

he's interested in denying it

home office feminist facts

Non-feminst here Boney. Yep, Basil, giving up.

Off to prepare to shout at a tv screen urging ManU on. And drink some beer. IF things don't go well, I shall return home and do some ironing with excessive vigour.

Just caught up with this thread.

I've read SGB's OP, and agree with her.

YANBU

Jeez, some of the posts on here are depressing. I think OP raised a point worthy of dicussion. I personally would not compare football culture to porn to say which was worse. I think they are both an indication that there are sadly still very many men out there who think they can do whatever the hell they like to women - buy them, rape them, beat them......

I would have thought a big promotion to report domestic violence would mean that a lot more domestic violence is reported.

I fundamentally disagree with OP's assertion that football is more harmful to women's rights and wellbeing than porn culture.

Pretty much nothing is more harmful to women's rights and wellbeing than porn culture.

Football has its baddies, just as any walk of life has its baddies, but porn culture is steeped in misogyny, sexism and objectification of women. It breeds contempt for women and its pervasiveness on the internet is normalising the sort of attitude that Evans has.

I think that football culture is as bad as it is because of porn culture.

Agree with you OP