Football culture is far more harmful to women's rights and wellbeing than porn culture.

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For a start, football culture gives a far more pervasive, wide-ranging and monolithic message: men are gods and women are either decorative accessories or foodstuff. It's misogyny and toxic masculinity encapsulated. Never mind the fact that the England women's football team have apparently won the world cup more often than the England men's team: there's the whole WAG thing, where being someone's appendage is a prize girls are told to covet, yet if they actually try to seek this prize they are demonized as sluts and gold-diggers, there's the way in which rape is seen as far more forgivable than being gay... and hard evidence that violence against women has a big upsurge every time there's a major football match on.

Report the OP.

Clearly they've had a whole lot of people pressing the "report post" button on it. It can work both ways.

Well can everyone do it then. If it is just me they will ignore me.

I've reported it and asked them if they'll move it back to AIBU if SGB is agreeable.

I've noticed that the anti-feminist posters object to any threads that might have even the most tenuous feminist political angle appearing on the 'sheep board' that is AIBU. They can 'hide' the FWR board and pretend it's a minority interest that doesn't trouble their handmaiden sensibilities but woe betide anyone who tries to have an intelligent discussion about issues that affect us all.

Not that I think the OP's motivation was to promote feminist politics to a wider audience - AIBU is where the pro-porn lobby hang out after all and SGB may have misjudged that the porn hounds would a) understand the arguments and b) rush in to say "Yes!! OMG football is far worse than porn, lol!!" while desperately searching for a 'like' button...

Hi there,

Apologies, we did get it wrong on this occasion and have moved this back to AIBU now.

Best wishes

MNHQ

Hooray, thanks!

I used to play football. DD1 plays. I think it's an excellent sport for women and girls.

"It's porn that helped teach these young men to behave like this, not football.
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Yep

Thank you Mumsnet.

Anyone see that Jermaine Pennant has been charged with a number of drink driving and other driving related offences? However on ONE report also mentions the obviously less significant fact that he allegedly assaulted a girl in a nightclub approximately 2 hours before that. I despair I really do.

only one report

i agree

Agree with sternface, by and large.

Sadly I don't think that football 'leads' lad culture, it follows it. So the rape/roasting is not isolated to footballers, it's something a lot of ordinary young men are doing. We don't necessarily notice if they get caught and convicted, because it's not as newsworthy as when footballers do it. The commodification of women is going on all around us. It isn't confined to WAGS-the whole WAG thing came abouut because of it, I think, and when the media picked it up is when the human Barbies phenomenon had its pop culture moment.

When you get a group of men together, things get manly.
When you get a group of women together, things get womenly.

(scratches head, trying to work out what "manly" and "womanly" mean, especially in this context.)

But all the internet posts from men that I've seen, that have been condemning Ched Evans and Connor Brown, have been on football sites...

Quite. Manly stuff like building dry stone walls and liking things with engines and being loving fathers? Or manly stuff like rape?

Womenly stuff like baking a Vic Sandwich in 3.57 seconds flat, liking babies and small creatures and being loving mothers? Or sitting around dreaming of being a WAG?

I disagree with the OP in more ways than one, but I don't see what the objectification of women, which is the point of the OP, has to do with being manly.

"When you get a group of men together, things get manly. When you get a group of women together, things get womenly."

Pardon me?

Personally think football was engineered to be as popular as it is - it's a great way of controlling the masses, IMO, and getting them to spend money they don't have.

I find it desperately dull, and I dread gigs where I know I am going on to play after a big match - the pub will be full of noisy, pissed, aggressive wankers in nasty polyester shirts.

I do think that porn culture, celeb culture and football culture are inextricably linked, and that none of them are particularly good for women. Porn culture is obviously hideous (although I don't actually have anything against porn as a concept, I very much dislike any that I have seen in recent years, and the trickling down to mainstream of the derogatory, unpleasant activities), celeb culture seems to turn women into vacuous idiots with nothing interesting to say, and football does the same thing to most fans.

Anyway. I'm with SGB as far as football culture being A Bad Thing goes, but not sure if you can compare, or indeed, separate it from porn.

It was announced on the local radio this morning that due to tonight's Manchester Derby, they were expecting an increase in DV calls!

'It was announced on the local radio this morning that due to tonight's Manchester Derby, they were expecting an increase in DV calls! '

Wasn't this sort of thing dismissed earlier in this thread as an urban myth, based upon a spurious comment made by someone in the USA many years ago (something to do with the Superbowl, I think)?

The only one in my house who will be worried if Utd win is the cat

Lol @ all the thread moving and there's still no AIBU question in the OP

Sanjeev - I read that further up thread. A lot of local police's stats and further DV Unit resourcing must be based on myth.
Talk to any local DV Unit staff and the myth-status will be gone.

There will probably be a huge increase of violence tonight in the manchester area because of drunk football fans. Nothing to do with porn.. everything to do with people throwing lager down their neck...

And yes, why on earth has this been moved back into AIBU when the only unreasonable part is that the OP started this thread to light touchpaper and start an argument between the feminists and anyone who dares to disagree with them.. maybe it should be in the News section, or Chat.. but it certainly shouldnt be in AIBU.

Four football players have been charged with sexual assault and one has been charged with voyeurism:

news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16219134

Note, that's not playing football he's been charged with, but voyeurism.