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To think that people having affairs

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InappropriateCrushes · 19/04/2012 13:19

Is very very rife. Made so much easier with social networking sites, mobiles and email.

People I know, friends, friends of friends, colleagues, everybody is at it, or at least flirting, or sexting, or on the brink of something they shouldn't be.

It's not right, I know, I'm not saying it is. On the relationships forum there are so many threads from heartbroken women whose partners have cheated, but it got me wondering; who are they cheating with? That someone could be you or me. We're naice girls, it doesnt make us evil or detestable, does it?

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FreudianSlipper · 19/04/2012 17:06

but they are unlikely to if they had not had an affair (because maybe they didn't value themselves enough to think they could have a good relationship) and then remain in an unhappy relationship

would i have felt sorry for my horrible step dad should my mum have had an affair and hurt him would i fuck (he is nasty to the extreme though)

titfortat · 19/04/2012 17:08

I know that when in a destructive relationship, things are definintely not so black and white. It is just not how I would do things. An affair, in my eyes, is just wrong. There is no need whatsoever to be in two relationships at the same time (as that is what it would be, a one night stand is different but an affair is basically another relationship)

Plus, if it was ME who was the "other one", whether or not they had come from a destructive relationship, I doubt I could trust them. They have cheated before, why wouldn't they cheat on me?

Affairs, to me, are not a good basis for a healthy relationship.

But, that is just my opinion.

bringmesunshine2009 · 19/04/2012 17:08

I'm not and dont know anyone who is. I am too worn, tired and ugly to even contemplate it. 5 yrs ago almost everyone I knew was. All settled now.

McHappyPants2012 · 19/04/2012 17:12

once apon a time, i wanted to have an affair.

DH spent all day every day on the computer and there was a guy in work giving me alot of attenion.

i didn't cheat, because i couldn't do it to the man i love.

EllenJaneisnotmyname · 19/04/2012 17:12

I don"t think my STBex would have left me if he hadn't found someone else to go to. I wasn't unhappy, I didn't realise he was until after he started his affair. It was a bit boring, but married life with 3 kids, one with SN, is a bit routine. I don't think anything was particularly wrong with our marriage, I think he was just tempted by something 'better.'

I'm sure lots of people carry on with marriages that have lost their spark because it's easier than doing something about it, and maybe only bother thinking about leaving once they have been tempted to start an affair.

LydiaWickham · 19/04/2012 18:08

In a lot of ways, affairs were easier before technology changes, if a bloke turned up half an hour later at home than planned and blamed 'trouble at London Bridge' there was no way of checking that, no way of calling to find out where someone was, it wasn't normal to expect a call to explain, no way of getting details of who was being called on phones (I remember itemised phone bills starting, I was secondary school before it became normal), there was less paper trails, less information.

That said, techonolgy has made it easier for someone who has decided to look for an affair (dating sites), but most people I know who've had affairs have had them with people they knew through work or socially and slowly became more than friends.

As others have said, it's not as common as you'd think from relationship threads, but then of those who I know who have had affairs, it's been 40-somethings with 20-somethings. I'm in my 30s, all but one of my friends got out of their 20s without having an affair, (silly moo) and the bulk of my friends are too young for the typical mid-life partner change (that they'll claim isn't mid-life crisis at all, oh no), ask me again in a decade...

EllenJaneisnotmyname · 19/04/2012 18:15

Yes, Lydia, my 46yo STBex said, 'Of course it's not a mid-life crisis, don't stereotype me.' But as his brother said, 'It's the middle of his life and he's having a bit of a crisis!'

Ample · 19/04/2012 18:17

Bring back the scarlet letter. For both sexes.

Teaandcakeplease · 19/04/2012 18:18

LeQueen I love your posts, so true.

My ExH had an affair. Thankfully all my friends are happily married and I do not know of anyone having an affair, aside from my ExH (they're all in their 30's). But I do think it is easier with social networking to communicate more and move things along iyswim? Certainly my ExH used his e-mail, sexting and facebook to pursue his beau Sad

I don't think it is as rife as it seems on mn though.

exmrs · 19/04/2012 18:22

My husband has just left me for another woman who knew he was married and had a young child,
when i phoned her up after just finding out she said it was my fault they had an affair because i made him so miserable and it is my fault my son was crying at night due to his dad leaving. She honestly thought it was my fault. if she would have just said im sorry i could have dealt with it but to blame me!!!

pinktrees · 19/04/2012 18:33

exmrs - one day, she will probably realise how stupid her assessment of the situation was. I'm sorry for your situation, my H cheated when my DCs were little so I know how awful it is.

MorrisZapp · 19/04/2012 18:44

Ok here is what I don't understand.

If I was to meet another guy, shag him behind DPs back, etc, get found out and then have him kick me out, I don't see how the pain that would cause would be materially less to him and DS than if I said to him 'I'm leaving you, I don't love you any more and I want to find somebody new'

Either way, there is devastation. It's not like taking the dignified, honest approach to dumping your DP results in smiles all round, is it?

onelittlefish · 19/04/2012 18:51

It has always been rife. It is just a question of whether it is socially acceptable to admit to it. Apparently in Georgian society they were always at it and it was quite socially acceptable for a man or woman to have a mistress. In Edwardian society it was less acceptable again so nobody admitted to it.

I don't know if it is something that is intrinsically selfish - I am sure some people don't intend to hurt their partner. For some people it serves a completely different function and maybe something that within their marriage isn't satisfied. I never feel affairs are as black and white as some people make out. Where I feel it is completely wrong is if there are strains in the marriage and the affair is used to get away from it.

I know how affairs can destroy a marriage. My father had multiple. When my mum found out she forgave him - probably because we were young at the time. I admire her for doing this and for sticking at the marriage for so long. I admire her for the decisions she made when we were young. I think it is not the easy decision to make but I think she knew that he did love her. They were married 36 yeras.

LadyBeagleEyes · 19/04/2012 18:52

This is one of the subjects that I always agree with LaQueen about.
People will have affairs, but just have the guts to leave the current relationship first.

MorrisZapp · 19/04/2012 18:52

And also... Over on relationships, the position is that staying for the sake of the kids is a fools errand. When posters worry that their kids will suffer if they leave a marriage, they are usually told that kids are v resilient and that they can still have a great relationship with their dad even if they don't live with him.

Don't get me wrong, I can see why discovering an affair would bring its unique hurt, but couples break up all the time and millions of kids don't live with their dad. That's modern life, with its much fought for choices and freedoms.

Cremeeggsandkitkatsoldiers · 19/04/2012 18:58

i think it's really REALLY common. But it always was, in the village I grew up in people barely bothered hiding it, and that was long before facebook or texts. One friend's mum has had a whole string of affairs for the last couple of decades, some right under her husbands nose with people he works with, another friend's dad had numerous affairs that everyone but friend/friend's siblings and friends mum knew about (they knew about one, the one that finished the marraige, but he was at it for years before that parading secretaries around), its always gone on... A LOT! friends of my dad would unashamedly come on to my mum and friends of hers with my dad, it was fairly socially acceptable so long as a token efford at discretion was made

Teaandcakeplease · 19/04/2012 18:59

exmrs - Yes my ExH's OW still won't speak to me 2 and a half years on, even though they live together and have contact with DCs. She blames me too. Guess it assuages her guilt on beginning an affair when my son was 4 weeks old and my daughter was 18 months. She was a family friend and knew me and the children

FoofFighterYNWAJFT96 · 19/04/2012 19:58

I know 3 or 4 people who had affairs/still have affairs. They are all RAF and I don't know if this is a peculiarity of that or just the norm anyway in non RAF people I know but that I just haven't heard about.

LeQueen · 19/04/2012 20:00

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EllenJaneisnotmyname · 19/04/2012 20:07

Do you know, LeQueen, it has helped me that my ex had an affair. I found out and he's gone to live with the OW, but he was going to leave even if I hadn't found out. He was making out that he was leaving because I wasn't worth staying with. I drew a lot of comfort from the fact that actually he was leaving me because he was weak and infatuated with the OW. Our friends have almost exclusively rallied around me and dropped him. If he had been the better man and had honestly left me before he started his affair, he would have retained some respect. I'm glad he has lost nearly all his friends. It's a bit of karma.

SerendipitousHarlot · 19/04/2012 20:42

I'm ashamed to say that I cheated on my exh. I'm not going to make any excuses other than I was unhappy, calculated and extremely selfish. I didn't love my exh as I thought I should. Again, not that that's an excuse.

After that fact though, I absolutely agree with LeQueen's posts.

hopefullynotacunt · 19/04/2012 21:04

Have namechanged to tell my story. Maybe that shows I'm a coward, I don't know.

I've been having an affair with a married man for three years now, on and off. When we met, I was married to my emotionally abusive husband. I'm not going to go into the details of my marriage, because I would sound like I was trying to justify myself, and I'm not. I'm past all that.

When I met my Godknowswhat, I was at such a low ebb, and didn't even realise. I was on anxiety meds, had suffered depression on and off for years, had no confidence, zero self-esteem etc etc.

My Godknowswhat made a play for me. He admits that. He is a serial adulterer, he admits that. He wanted a bit of fun, I was in no way interested and told him so. But...but. His attention made me feel like a million dollars, and it showed. I dropped about five years off my face.

The problem was...despite the fact he is much older than me, not exactly a pretty guy and married...we clicked. We just get on. We understand each other, we make each other laugh, and feel at home with each other. We fell in love. He says he got more than he bargained for when he met me.

We had an emotional affair that lasted a year. We didn't have sex. We just talked constantly - and I mean constantly. Technology definitely has a lot to answer for. I've said this to him lots of times - 'bloody email, now look where I am.'

We more or less took it in turns to end it until I took a deep breath, ended it 'once and for all' Hmm and told my husband the truth. I really thought that would make me see sense, see what I had risked and make me recommit to my marriage.

Nope. I was completely bereft for a year. My husband and I went into counselling - knowing there was another man on the horizon made him finally (after three years of begging) agree to this and to other changes that were too little too late.

We struggled on like this for a year, and I was grieving. I have grieved, so I use that term advisedly. For months I used to pull into laybys and sob. I thought about him constantly. I mean constantly. When I couldn't stand it any longer I found my OM again, and we rekindled the affair. He'd been just the same - without prompting he'd tell me things he'd thought and things he'd done during that year, and it was uncanny. I know how all this sounds, it's making me cringe to write it, imagining how this will be received.

We saw each other for another year, still without having sex, just constant contact. The first time I met him after a year apart we just sat on a park bench and talked non-stop for three hours. We're mates, above all else.

Eventually, I found the strength to end my marriage. My affair was an exit affair, I realise that. But it seems to be sticking. We are having sex now.

My Godknowswhat is never going to leave his wife. He has told me that. I don't actually think I want him to.

He does still have sex with her, but not often.

He never has a bad word to say about her.

He says he feels terrible about betraying her, and so do I. Dreadful. But where he is concerned, I'm selfish.

I wait for my chickens to come home to roost, constantly. When a bad thing happens to me, I shrug and think, 'karma'.

I want to be a good person, and do the right thing. Like I used to be. But that person ended up so miserable for so long, on beta blockers, depressed, miserable - nobody gave a damn that I was so lost, as long as I was behaving 'properly'. I'm still waiting for my medal.

I know what I'm doing is wrong and foolish. I know I'm going to end up bitter and lonely. I know I'm probably propping up his marriage, some kind of third wheel. Or destroying it slowly, which would be even worse.

I read threads on here about affairs, and just hate myself for being the Devil everyone hates. I want to be that strong person who can say "I won't be second best to anyone".

But I love him. That old cliche of the Other Woman. I just do.

I hate myself sometimes. But when I'm with him, it's worth it.

I'm not this person, really. I was one of the good guys. This affair has made me very cynical. If I can do this, anyone can, so I trust no-one any more.

It's a mess.

But I love him.

Does that make me a cunt?

I guess in most peoples' eyes...yes.

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Whatmeworry · 19/04/2012 21:08

On the relationships forum there are so many threads from heartbroken women whose partners have cheated

And every so often one froma persondoing the cheating...but by and large those not in affairs,and inthem,won't post. I read stats that say about 1/4 to 1/3rd of women will have an affair at some point in their lives.

roundtable · 19/04/2012 21:08

I don't know anyone whose having an affair Hmm touchwood

kittyandthefontanelles · 19/04/2012 21:17

If you are knowingly having an affair with somebody's partner then I'm afraid it does make you detestable. And no, it couldn't be me, speak for yourself please.

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