'he went to far this time' (warning: upsetting content)

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Is anyone else listening to Tina Nash interview? Her partner gouged out both of her eyes and she is now blind. She had suffered years of abuse and stuck by him after each occasion. She has children she will never see again and she said, he went too far this time'

Aibu to really really hope this man goes to jail for life and that it means life and why why why did she stay with this bastard for so long.

The lady is articulate and heart breakingly measured.

"why do you think that he wouldn't get a new ID ?" because I don't believe they go about giving people new identities willy-nilly.

I can understand why they would do it in the bulger and maxine thingumy cases though. I don't think protecting violent thugs from reprisals is top of their priority list.

yes i can see how that would happen but there must be a middle ground. there has to be a way of getting violent people away from the people they hurt and as early as possible. as i said i am not an expert, far from it but not enough is being done and the deterrents aren't working.

I think that posters forget that the other prisoner who delivers this 'justice' will be up for release themselves, is that who you want in society? someone who doesn't think that the norms of society doesn't apply to them.

Just like the perpetrator, that person will no doubt think that they have had good reason to maim, which is a vey dangerous state of mind to hold and continues the cycle.

Will that man then try to return home, tofind that their partner has moved on, but thinks that they can solve the problem, once again, through violence, as R Moat did?

Perpetrators always find an excuse for their actions, prison should change that, not continue and sanction it.

"Perpetrators always find an excuse for their actions, prison should change that, not continue and sanction it."

totally agree. violence is never acceptable. it cannot be justfied. and this needs to be the message continually given out by the govt and law enforcers. violence in prison should be dealt with just as harshly as it should be in society.

This is the worst thing I think I've ever read. Is there something, anything, we could do for this poor woman?

Well, it comes at a time when the police are threatening to close the Cornish domestic violence units:

www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Police-scrap-domestic-abuse-units/story-15421399-detail/story.html

Great timing...

Sorry, messed up the link there: www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/Police-scrap-domestic-abuse-units/story-15421399-detail/story.html

'The guy must surely be mentally ill'

Why? Sometimes society can have a hard time accepting people are just plain bad instead of mad. No wonder there is so much prejudice still against the mentally ill.

fwiw This man will be assessed as 'dangerous' under the 2003 CjAct and he will receive an Indeterminate Protection of the Public (IPP) sentence under that act. These sentences are very much like 'life sentences' where there is a minimum tarrif to be served in custody ( approx 12 years for him I'd guess) and then he can apply for release on a year by year basis. Whe nthe parole board is satisfied whatever risk he presents can be managed in the community he may be released, but subject to recall at any stage IF any information indicates he isn't leading a law-abiding life or other risk behaviours.

and I do agree wit hposters who challenge the 'hope he gets blinded' stuff - we don't want thugs outside prison who have been thugs inside prison.

I'm with anyfucker on this. Wtf. Fucker deserves all he gets in prison and I hope he gets it good.

Duelling. I can't imagine why the bulger case perpetrators would need a new ID. They deserve whatever they get

Let his fellow inmates deal with him.Tell them what he did.

He may get more than a 12 yr tariff, if the full impact on the dcs are also taken into account as well. The judge will be required to take off some of the sentence for a guilt plea, but one hopes he/she adds on a few years, and then takes it off to get round the guilty plea element.
or, he could be deemed mentally ill with a personality disorder, which won't change the sentence automatically but may affect in what sort of institution he serves his time.

I really do understand the sentiment of people who want him dead or maimed but I don't agree. What he did was one of the worst things I have ever heard. However, him getting hurt or killed won't bring her eyes back nor will it make one violent man think twice about doing this. People don't stop murdering people because of the death penalty, ask the US. what these statements do is make us feel a bit better and file the anger and fear away. Far better to use that anger and fear to campaign for the government to stop funding cuts to DV charities and organisations.

new i.d. for him? I would doubt it. There are much worse cases, I'm afraid, where people are not eligible. The Bulger children were provided with it because they were children,I suspect. If Jenkin gets it, hundereds of other prisoners would be in line for it.

pinecones Thompson and Venables were 10 years old when they killed James Bulger.

"I can't imagine why the bulger case perpetrators would need a new ID" because they were children too.

what difference does it make if he is beaten in prison

i know that my stepdad has his arm broken in prison, the only thing that is has left me feeling is that for once he lived in the sort of fear myself and my mother did

but really it means nothing. it was a beating he got it is not something that would have stayed with him, it is not something that makes it easier for me to deal with what he did. the worse he can have is his freedom taken away and i do hope that is for a long time

I read about this on the BBC website tonight.

All I hope is that he gets the maximum sentence available, spends a very long time inside and and is never given the opportunity to form a relationship with anyone in the future.

Sickening, it made me angry reading the article....for her and her children. God help her for the future.

The only possible good to come out of this, and I hope it does, is to emphasise the point that protecting someone who is violent against you will not fix the situation. In the Guardian's coverage of this story here she is quoted as saying "I have done so much for him and this is how he repaid me." I don't wish to blame victims either, but anything that helps debunk the 'I can change him' myth may at least do a little good some day. Plus I hope he gets the maximum sentence possible, which hopefully is life.

echt and dueling. I know. I don't see why that should be a factor give the intent and the nature of the crime.
I know the law has a different view.
I disagree

yes, it's a sort of horrible naivity, and also an over-blown sense of power and influence that someone thinks that they can over come decades of socialisation and emotional stunting in changing someone else's really damaging habits by just loving them unconditionally, even when that person starts acting out the same patterns of behaviour on themselves.
of course there's much more to it than that, but the 'i can change him' leads one to ask "how exactly?".

Duckdodgers - thank you for writing that so clearly and eloquently.

Erm, I think the "changing him" thing can also be laid at the feet of a culture that still raises women to be nurturers and carers, to not be assertive enough about their boundaries, self-hood an individuality at the risk of seeming "unfeminine", and to put the feelings of others first. All good, laudable qualities, that come into their own when parenting and in good, positive relationships (including friendship and families) but can easily be exploited in crap relationships.

It also can be laid at the feet of a culture that doesn't make it easy enough to leave relationships-with-children, and plays out a message of "working at the relationship" without enough of an emphasis on the sad truth that a lot of relationships cannot be worked on and should just be left.

Seriously, the figures for DV are so high that the reasons for the problem just cannot be found in an individual. They have to have a structural root.