AIBU to stop buyng The Independant because of this ad?

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The one from Fathers4Justice, where they accuse MN of:

"carrying abusive and distressing anti-male content which promotes gender hatred against men and boys"
and, apparently, labels "men and boys as rapist, peados and wife beaters."

The ad has a lovely picture of a sad little boy with words like "rioter" and "homeless" and "sperm bank" written on his skin.

I am confused, as I have never come across a thread on here where people routinely call men paedophiles and rapists. In fact, usually, if someone implies that a man being left alone with a child is dodgy, posters will pile in and say "God, don't you know not all men are paedos.?"

As I understand it, this is a forum for discussion, not a political movement with a manifesto. There are many and varied opinions on MN, and the minute one opinion is aired, another will be along to refute it.

Or should I just laugh at F4J? The ad is quite gruesomely funny.

I have a feeling aus will now stop posting.

I think that if you posted in relationships you would be able to get some advice.

I don't see that any of this is the fault of MN or M&S.

It is nonsense that MN as an organisation says that all men and boys are paedophiles etc
It is nonsense that Gingerbread support child abuse

F4J are a joke, they do not have stated aims anywhere on their site, they are not in contact with other organisations who are concerned about the family courts (I assume they aren't as I have asked repeatedly and no answer has been forthcoming). It's just unfocussed hate and attacks.

If you are serious about wanting help about your son then there are many avenues you can explore, I would not recommend F4J to you.

It isn't going to be easy to just jump on a plane, and leave...

The thing is, it is going to escalate... and I know this, having been with her for three years... As soon as something doesn't work or have the impact it is going to increase, and increase...

Let me put it this way, unless she stops me completely from seeing my son, then she isn't going to stop. And lying about things is her forte... you are unfortunately guilty until proven innocent. There was an incident last week where she turned up at my house, lucky enough I have video camera's everywhere, otherwise when she barged at the door, she could have claimed that I physically abused her. I know in the past she has yelled at me, wanting me to hit her... and well, not going to allow myself to be put into that position. I would never hit any one at all... as I don't think it is right..

So, yes, I am going to jump on a plane, so that I don't get into a position where false claims can be laid, and really, who are they going to believe...

I have a feeling aus will now stop posting.

Why?

^Now you ex and her mother are beating up your exFIL?
And this has turned him against you?^

Not beating him up, more a verbal abuse attack... I can imagine him getting it from both barrels, when the poor bastard wants to do something right, but then his life would be hell if he stepped out of line..

Your from F4J aren't you ?

Nope... I support Separated Dads....

Every time she does something like that you call the police. She is harassing you.

Don't run away- it merely makes you look like she was right all along which will get her sympathy and you get made to look like a twat, especially if you aren't around to defend yourself.
Please, post in Legal Matters. There are some very knowledgeable posters on here.

So why are you here on a thread about accusations F4J have made about MN. Saying that MN is an organisation which believes that all men and boys are paedophiles etc.

legal matters
relationships
CAB
loads of suggestions

Aus ... Have you ...

Contacted your ds doctors / health visitor ?

Yes, I have.... they can't do anything... due to confidentially... I have tried, believe me..

Contacted your ds nursery ?

He doesn't go to nursery..

Maintained contact visits at contact centre where the staff would notice how you act and how your ex acts ?

Didn't go through a contact centre, as I believed it would have been to distressing for my son.

Contacted exws parents about concerns over her Mh

They turn a blind eye to it..

Contacted the councillor you both saw who said your ex has a possible personality disorder ?

Yes, and they can't do anything about it....

Asked your lawyer to contact councillor to see records ?

Not allowed to be disclosed apparently...

Or even contacted sw over concerns over your ex's ability to care for your son...?

You've not done enough

Aus your planning on abandoning your child....I just can't speak to you anymore , as it goes against everything I believe in .

Fathers should not abandon their child.
Fathers should protect their child
Fathers should support their child
Fathers should be there for their child
Fathers should not expose their child to any harm nor allow anyone else to do so.
Same goes for mothers ....step parents , foster parents ,grandparents & guardians.

More distressing than not seeing you??? Really?

"Didn't go through a contact centre, as I believed it would have been to distressing for my son"

But you said above you tried but had to stop because your exFiL was hassling you at the contact centre? (This being the same exFiL who previously had tried to facilitate contact).

And have you contacted sw about your ex wife's suitability - if not, why not?

Also, what about the posters who have given you advice about where to post on MN, where else to to go for advice?

Its utter nonsense that you can't approach CAB because she goes there for advice. CAB are for everyone, the clue is in the name.

"Lawyers/ courts can consult doctors for records . Mine did during my divorce & custody hearing".

Yes, this happened to me as well droves. A court appointed lawyer was granted access to my medical records.

Bulshit . As a parent you have a right to consult your child's doctor regarding your child's well being .

That is only the case if the exDW takes our son to the doctors. He had a massive lump on his head, something that I did take to the doctors as I could not take him away, and they said that they would have definitely had it checked out. They did nothing further... and there was nothing I could do...

Bulshit point two . Lawyers/ courts can consult doctors for records . Mine did during my divorce & custody hearing

Counselling documents are from what I was told disclosed from the court, and if she doesn't go to the doctors about it, then there is nothing..

Bulshit point 3 contact centre , you were offered .

Huh? think you may have mis-read something..

And have you contacted sw about your ex wife's suitability - if not, why not?

Yes I have, and they can't do anything about it.... believe me I have tried and tried and tried..

Every time she does something like that you call the police. She is harassing you.

Umm, interesting... just got a letter from her solicitors saying that even though she has been out of the marital home for over a year and half, she can troop back in whenever she wants to... and do what ever she wants... I consider it harassment... god knows what would happen if I trooped up to her parents place to see my son, I know that the police would be called, that is for sure..

I find it disturbing that you accuse someone on here of possible domestic violence with no evidence, discredit anything he says and rip into him, then punctuate your pathetic wind-ups with "snigger" and "high fives NYac".

What utterly ridiculous people. You discredit Mumsnet and people on here with brains.

"I find it disturbing that you accuse someone on here of possible domestic violence with no evidence, discredit anything he says and rip into him, then punctuate your pathetic wind-ups with "snigger" and "high fives NYac".""

Erm noone did that.

Has your divorce been finalised?

I think what people are getting at auschopper is that you keep changing your mind about what happened re: the contact centre.

Firstly, you were offered it but didn't want to take it up. Then you went but it didn't work because your ex FiL was hassling you (again, the same xfil who was previously trying to facilitate contact), after that you stated that you decided against it because seeing you there would distress your son.

Now to your point about SW. What did you do? Did they contact you to discuss your concerns? Did they follow up on your concerns and let you know what was happening?

I find it disturbing that a father is neglecting contact with his child on account of his ex being a nightmare . To the extent he's going to jump on a plane and possibly never see his child again.

And thats after he got loads of sympathy for his situation ....

On a thread about fathers for justice.

Assuming some of them are genuine fathers who do honestly just want to see their kid ( few utter twats who hate women ,but not all from what I gather ).

A bit inappropriate .

Poise I did high fives !

But it was because I made a little light hearted joke .( is aus Peter Andre ? )

If it offends anyone ....report it .

....so assuming I'm the ridiculous people ,discrediting Mumsnet and people with brains ?

I'm just fine with that ...as long as I'm not child abandoning .