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when I post about trying to bring an end to bullying on Mumsnet? Read this post and see for yourselves that I am not the only one.

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Mummle · 15/03/2012 14:56

Who?s brave enough to take on Mumsnet?
Posted on July 28, 2011
Picture this. A new kid at school enters the playground on her first day. ?TA-DA!? she shouts to a group of children playing together. ?I?M FINALLY HERE after much moaning by my parents and a lost school application, the school board have fast-tracked my application and I?m now officially a pupil here. What have I let myself in for??

The child continues, ?Some of you may already know me, in which case ?Hi?. Some of you may never have heard of me, in which case ?Hi? ? where the heck have you been for the past two years??

One of the children in the group sneers, ?I have no idea who you are. Sorry,? and turns away. ?Well it?s nice to meet you!? offers the new kid.

?Look, I?ve been here longer than you,? says the sneering child, ?and your entrance has got my back up.? Before long, more children get involved, slagging off the new kid, telling her that she?s broken the school?s ?unwritten rules? and even calling her a c*.

The scary thing is that while this scenario happened, just this week, it didn?t happen in a school playground. It took place on parenting forum Mumsnet. The ?new kid? was a mum who?d just joined the Mumsnet Bloggers Network, and while her original post on the forum was arguably ill-judged, the reaction from other forum users was gobsmacking.

Much has been written in the past about the nastiness lurking in the Mumsnet forums, yet it seems to be brushed under the carpet and generally accepted as ?one of those things?. The users of the forum adhere to the bizarre ?I can be as nasty and vicious as I like, as long as I?m being honest and say it to the person?s face? mentality. It?s an attitude that took flight during the ten seasons of reality TV show Big Brother, with housemates gaining a strange kudos for being nasty (but honest).

The Mumsnet forum users also regularly refer to the rival ?insipid? parenting forums (for insipid, read supportive and friendly) and tell people that if they can?t handle Mumsnet, to clear off elsewhere. Conjures up images of a school gang telling a fellow pupil that if they don?t like the name-calling, to leave that school and find another, doesn?t it?

The word ?bullying? is bandied about a lot these days. Often to the point that it devalues its meaning ? very frustrating for real victims of real bullying. But having dipped in and out of Mumsnet a few times in the last couple of years, I genuinely think the word applies to some of the goings-on there. It begs the question: how on earth are we supposed to stamp out the serious bullying problem we have in schools, if parents are behaving like this? Admittedly, they?re doing it while hiding behind the anonymity of an online forum, but they?re still typing those words, saying those vile things, making other women feel like crap.

So what are Mumsnet doing about this? Well, not much it seems. Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts explained it away, in a Daily Mail article, last year, saying, ?We don?t want to sound like schoolteachers looking over our spectacles, and we don?t do it publicly. If someone has made personal attacks, we may contact them off board and it?s amazing how often they?ll say, ?I?m so sorry ? yesterday was just one of those days?. Mothers often have a lot going on in their lives and they don?t always realise how their words may come across.?

Ah, so this behaviour is acceptable if they?ve had a bad day and apologise afterwards? Well, it doesn?t wash with me, and the whole scenario is even more worrying when you look at the apparent clout that Justine Roberts and Mumsnet have with David Cameron.

I?m putting a challenge out there. We need an intervention. Someone needs to stand up to the Mumsnet bullies and deal with them like we deal with the school bullies. Who?s brave enough to do it?

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PandaWatch · 15/03/2012 16:25
realhousewifeofdevoncounty · 15/03/2012 16:27

And I think the way people have behaved on here has totally proved the op's point. Some very defensive people on here.

PandaWatch · 15/03/2012 16:27
TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 16:28

No, the OP won't be back. Attention seeking or not.

I have experienced this when I questioned porno thread titles. Actually no, never to this extent. Now it's just like a gang of girls all hiding behind each other making offensive remarks and giggling.

I don't like the comparisons to Netmums, I used to be a Netmums editor and think it's pathetic that such a valuable resource to local mums is constantly being ripped apart. "Jog off to Netmums!" Hilarious.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 15/03/2012 16:28

IIRC, Typecast took Her issues off forum, to a site called Dysqus? Or something? I found it by accident. She attracted several others, who agreed with her and had a good moan, and some like me who commented on how MN was site full of amazing people who helped others and had even saved lives!

Calamityboo · 15/03/2012 16:29

It is not really like that rhubarb this is the 3rd time Mummlee has started this debate, the first two she was asking for a measured and mature debate but then either ignored all the posts in her thread or replied with the same point in different words, usually while telling us we were all bullies and should f* off. The bun fights and games that you mention are (for me anyway) because we were ready to discuss this with the OP but she buggered off and left us to it, while the cats away.......

porcamiseria · 15/03/2012 16:29

Thanks therhubarb

we are Mothers, and we hate bullying

yet time and time again, someone comes on here that does not "post right", and does not fit the MN norm (and there is one), or puts peoples back up (easily done)

and its seen as completely OK for everyone to pile into them!

I dont care if they are a troll,or feeding for attention, its that pack mentality that really scares me personally

lesley33 · 15/03/2012 16:30

realhousewife - This is the 3rd post the OP has posted like this. People are getting a bit fed up of her and how she has been frankly insulting to other posters. Honestly I can understand if you haven't seen hwo she has been herself on other threads today this might look out of order...but honestly the OP has been out of order in how she has been with posters.

Maryz · 15/03/2012 16:31

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TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 16:32

There is no question that Mumsnet is a valuable resource and community, but lately there has been an upsurge in posters getting torn apart for not going with the majority. It seems that if you don't insert a 'fuck' or a 'twat' in every sentence then you're not 'in'.

This is not reflective of all posters, just a few who lurk mainly on the chat threads and I'm sure that in real life these people are lovely and would never ever say what they do on here, to anyone else. But once they get in a gang, they encourage each other to be more insulting, to go a little further. Then there's the self congratulatory posts. It's all a bit vomit inducing tbh. I hate it.

everlong · 15/03/2012 16:33

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Fillybuster · 15/03/2012 16:33

I swore, and I shouldn't have done. Genuinely, it was the first time I have ever told someone to f the f to anywhere on MN.

But its feeling a bit like people are coming onto MN specifically to pick a fight at the moment.

And it annoys me.

What I meant to say was:

MN is a wonderful community, spanning a huge range of tastes, styles, personalities.

So if one part doesn't do it for you, another topic probably will.

There's almost no-one on here I don't sometimes disagree with, but that doesn't mean they're not first rate, top class MNers and lovely people. We Just Have Different Opinions About Things.

Live with it. Get out there. Find some other things to post about. Make some virtual (and RL) friends.

And if you really don't like it, that's ok - there are a whole host of other parenting forums out there, and one of them may suit you better.

In the meantime, I would like to point out that even AIBU is a bloody nice polite and helpful forum on occasion, and I got some great advice there this week :)

ChaoticAngel · 15/03/2012 16:34

That would be a waste of baked goods.

HandMadeTail · 15/03/2012 16:34

Tedious, Mummie.

TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 16:35

Calamity, ok I didn't know that however her post did strike a chord with me because I've seen it happen. We all have.

And many posters were being insulting and reactionary way before they knew this was not a real poster.

Just read the first 2 pages.

And if she is a hoax, then why give her all this attention and why turn on other posters who agree she has a point? Why not just hide the thread and turn your attentions elsewhere?

Maryz · 15/03/2012 16:35

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Fuzzywood · 15/03/2012 16:36

Have to agree with the last posts from Calamity and Lesley. The op is being deliberately provocative by starting near identical threads. Maybe the swearing etc could be seen as proving her point but to be honest I struggle to muster any sympathy.
I've been here a couple of years and have received nothing but support and a right good laugh. Calling us all bullies is inaccurate at best and insulting at worst.

WandaDoff · 15/03/2012 16:36

What happened to the thread last night where she wanted to give us all "a big fuck off" in the title, was it deleted?

usualsuspect · 15/03/2012 16:37

With respect Rhubarb, the op of this thread is posting because she knows she will get this kind of reaction.

People who start deliberate inflammatory threads annoy me way more than anything else on MN.

PandaWatch · 15/03/2012 16:38

I haven't even been on NetMums. I'm just getting slightly carried away by the idea of launching a hostile takeover armed with cream teas! which has absolutely nothing to do with having my first proper coffee in goodness knows how long this afternoon

TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 16:39

I did see the swearing one. Not sure what I made of that tbh. But I can certainly understand why some newbies would be fearful of posting and why people get so upset on Mumsnet. I have to say that there are also a few posters who seem merely to go around throwing out insults and trying to stir posts up, the same names do keep cropping up and I have no idea if they simply lurk on the chat and AIBU threads or if they post elsewhere too, but when I see them I know it's time to go.

usualsuspect · 15/03/2012 16:39

The Netmums comments annoy me as well.

higgle · 15/03/2012 16:39

Yes, there are some people on here who are just thoroughly unpleasant - and often they are "MN royalty" But the ones I can't stand are the ones who have very strong views on one particular topic ( such as how to deal with an unfaithful husband) and just go on and on and won't concede there may be other views on the topic. Fortunately a few months ago most of them flounced off and life has got a lot better for anyone who feels like posting about infidelity/ body hair or pedigree puppies.

realhousewifeofdevoncounty · 15/03/2012 16:40

Why pile into the op though? Why not just ignore her if she keeps posting crap or whatever? I have often thought similar thing to the op, but don't post about it partly because I don't see the point and partly because I'm scared I'll get flamed! The nasty posters on here should follow their own advice and ignore the op if they don't like what she says. I hate fake niceness and like Frank debate and discussion, but there is no need for spite and bullying. Ever. I have come back to mumsnet after a break. This thread us reminding me why I stopped coming in here. Suppose I should fuck off to netmums as no doubt I'll be told soon! Grin