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when I post about trying to bring an end to bullying on Mumsnet? Read this post and see for yourselves that I am not the only one.

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Mummle · 15/03/2012 14:56

Who?s brave enough to take on Mumsnet?
Posted on July 28, 2011
Picture this. A new kid at school enters the playground on her first day. ?TA-DA!? she shouts to a group of children playing together. ?I?M FINALLY HERE after much moaning by my parents and a lost school application, the school board have fast-tracked my application and I?m now officially a pupil here. What have I let myself in for??

The child continues, ?Some of you may already know me, in which case ?Hi?. Some of you may never have heard of me, in which case ?Hi? ? where the heck have you been for the past two years??

One of the children in the group sneers, ?I have no idea who you are. Sorry,? and turns away. ?Well it?s nice to meet you!? offers the new kid.

?Look, I?ve been here longer than you,? says the sneering child, ?and your entrance has got my back up.? Before long, more children get involved, slagging off the new kid, telling her that she?s broken the school?s ?unwritten rules? and even calling her a c*.

The scary thing is that while this scenario happened, just this week, it didn?t happen in a school playground. It took place on parenting forum Mumsnet. The ?new kid? was a mum who?d just joined the Mumsnet Bloggers Network, and while her original post on the forum was arguably ill-judged, the reaction from other forum users was gobsmacking.

Much has been written in the past about the nastiness lurking in the Mumsnet forums, yet it seems to be brushed under the carpet and generally accepted as ?one of those things?. The users of the forum adhere to the bizarre ?I can be as nasty and vicious as I like, as long as I?m being honest and say it to the person?s face? mentality. It?s an attitude that took flight during the ten seasons of reality TV show Big Brother, with housemates gaining a strange kudos for being nasty (but honest).

The Mumsnet forum users also regularly refer to the rival ?insipid? parenting forums (for insipid, read supportive and friendly) and tell people that if they can?t handle Mumsnet, to clear off elsewhere. Conjures up images of a school gang telling a fellow pupil that if they don?t like the name-calling, to leave that school and find another, doesn?t it?

The word ?bullying? is bandied about a lot these days. Often to the point that it devalues its meaning ? very frustrating for real victims of real bullying. But having dipped in and out of Mumsnet a few times in the last couple of years, I genuinely think the word applies to some of the goings-on there. It begs the question: how on earth are we supposed to stamp out the serious bullying problem we have in schools, if parents are behaving like this? Admittedly, they?re doing it while hiding behind the anonymity of an online forum, but they?re still typing those words, saying those vile things, making other women feel like crap.

So what are Mumsnet doing about this? Well, not much it seems. Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts explained it away, in a Daily Mail article, last year, saying, ?We don?t want to sound like schoolteachers looking over our spectacles, and we don?t do it publicly. If someone has made personal attacks, we may contact them off board and it?s amazing how often they?ll say, ?I?m so sorry ? yesterday was just one of those days?. Mothers often have a lot going on in their lives and they don?t always realise how their words may come across.?

Ah, so this behaviour is acceptable if they?ve had a bad day and apologise afterwards? Well, it doesn?t wash with me, and the whole scenario is even more worrying when you look at the apparent clout that Justine Roberts and Mumsnet have with David Cameron.

I?m putting a challenge out there. We need an intervention. Someone needs to stand up to the Mumsnet bullies and deal with them like we deal with the school bullies. Who?s brave enough to do it?

OP posts:
catgirl1976 · 15/03/2012 16:16

I just like writing songs....I don't like to see food going to waste

NicholasTeakozy · 15/03/2012 16:16

That's every day this week someone has been preposterous on MN and been rightly handed their arse.

thebestisyettocome · 15/03/2012 16:16

I agree porcamiseria. It's disgusting.

cornsilkidy · 15/03/2012 16:16

yes I think the OP likes the attention very much

ChaoticAngel · 15/03/2012 16:16

Calamity that's about it Grin Sanity is overrated Wink

bibbityisaporker · 15/03/2012 16:17

I don't think Mummle was the op of that blogger thread? I think she wanted to quote someone else saying Mumsnet was a playground for bullies to prove that she has a point.

Agree with Porca, actually, the way to make her go away is not to rise to the bait.

PandaWatch · 15/03/2012 16:17

Ooooohhh! Thanks Calamity - I think I still had wine in my eyes when I first looked Grin

thebestisyettocome · 15/03/2012 16:18

Chaotic. Are you seriously taking the piss out of someone's mental health?

Calamityboo · 15/03/2012 16:18

Who has just told me to google monkey face, I can't find tour post to vomit on thank you :)

Fuzzywood · 15/03/2012 16:19
JustHecate · 15/03/2012 16:19

It's not 'fuck off' porc, it's - why go somewhere you don't like, when there are places you'll love. Surely what matters is not that you're on mumsnet, but that you find a place that you feel supports you in the way that you want to be supported?

Many people knock netmums, which drives me crazy, I don't post there but I can see that it will appeal far more than mumsnet to many people. Not everyone likes the straight talk. Not everyone is happy with no swear filters, lots of people do like the hugs stuff - and there's nothing wrong with that! People should be wherever suits them best.

I don't think there's anything at all wrong with suggesting that they try there instead, because it might be a place they'd feel happier

KatieScarlett2833 · 15/03/2012 16:19
PandaWatch · 15/03/2012 16:20

Clearly I'm still having issues with my sight - that should have been thanks to Chaotic this time not Calamity!

lesley33 · 15/03/2012 16:21

And others Porca have said what justhecate said and in a nice way like she has.

Calamityboo · 15/03/2012 16:21

Where has OP gone anyway, not even a litle bump for us today?

thebestisyettocome · 15/03/2012 16:21

To be fair Hecate, your comments are very measured. Personally I really don't like the fuck off ones from the many other posters.

Calamityboo · 15/03/2012 16:22

Your welcome anyway panda

ChaoticAngel · 15/03/2012 16:23

thebest not at all but then again I don't consider people with mh problems to be mad.

TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 16:23

Actually I find threads like this deeply disturbing.

You get a few with their clever sarcastic comments and then it becomes a sort of competition to see who can be the most insulting, with many posters egging each other on. You know, I can see the likeness to playground bullies. I am fairly thick skinned but I find it pretty disgusting the way some people are torn to shreds on Mumsnet.

Ok, so it might be patronising when someone asks us to stop swearing or you might think "oh no not again!" when someone says we're a nest of vipers, but ffs does it have to become some pathetic playground game to see who can be the most insulting - to see who can get their comments deleted first? Then there are whoops of joy, pats on the back and the guilty party thinks that getting a personal insult deleted is something to be proud of.

I'm not proud of the way some posters react to threads like this.

I may not agree with the OP, I don't know who she is or what the background is. I don't think that Mumsnet Bloggers reflects the boards and I am one myself. Half of the bloggers aren't even on the Mumsnet forums! Yet I can sympathise with newbies who daren't post because of the ridicule they will face.

So here's a thing - why don't the posters who think they are hilarious for insulting someone from behind a laptop, jog on themselves? Because you are not doing Mumsnet any bloody favours.

realhousewifeofdevoncounty · 15/03/2012 16:23

I actually agree with the op. I like mumsnet as a rule but I don't think there is a pack mentality and people can behave very badly.

PeppermintPasty · 15/03/2012 16:23

Beer is right about the attention.

OP won't come back.

I've just read a thread on here that sums up what MN is about for me. A woman comes on here, after experiencing something so horrific......ugh I am sick just thinking about it; and she receives and is receiving support from a broad range of MNers. Hopefully it will help her get over the hideous trauma she has suffered. I don't know.

But that's it-it's about support, about "knowledge is power", about bearing people up through their dark times, because we can, and we want to (at the risk of sounding like Billie Piper).

It's not about self absorbed pillocks coming on and shouting "Ta-Da".

The end.

lesley33 · 15/03/2012 16:23

But thebest - honest there have been lots and lots of other measured posts as well.

BeerTricksPott3r · 15/03/2012 16:24

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

PandaWatch · 15/03/2012 16:24

My experience of MN has been Conception, The Doghouse, a delightful Benedict Cumberbatch thread which I think was in Chat, lurking wistfully in Pregnancy and AIBU. From what I've seen it's only AIBU where anyone gets remotely lairy so surely you can just stay out of those threads and stick to all the other forums?

LaurieFairyCake · 15/03/2012 16:24

You think Netmums is 'supportive and friendly' ????? Hmm

I'm fairly fluffy-bunnyish and supportive but there is no debate on that site! Instead they cut you out, start campaigns on Facebook about people, encourage others to send people to Coventry.

It's horrible over there - all with a fake veneer of niceness.

It's not TRUE, this place is NICE and BITCHY and FUNNY as Fuck and massively immensely supportive.

If you don't like it here stay on Netmums if it suits you better - that's fine.

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