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when I post about trying to bring an end to bullying on Mumsnet? Read this post and see for yourselves that I am not the only one.

527 replies

Mummle · 15/03/2012 14:56

Who?s brave enough to take on Mumsnet?
Posted on July 28, 2011
Picture this. A new kid at school enters the playground on her first day. ?TA-DA!? she shouts to a group of children playing together. ?I?M FINALLY HERE after much moaning by my parents and a lost school application, the school board have fast-tracked my application and I?m now officially a pupil here. What have I let myself in for??

The child continues, ?Some of you may already know me, in which case ?Hi?. Some of you may never have heard of me, in which case ?Hi? ? where the heck have you been for the past two years??

One of the children in the group sneers, ?I have no idea who you are. Sorry,? and turns away. ?Well it?s nice to meet you!? offers the new kid.

?Look, I?ve been here longer than you,? says the sneering child, ?and your entrance has got my back up.? Before long, more children get involved, slagging off the new kid, telling her that she?s broken the school?s ?unwritten rules? and even calling her a c*.

The scary thing is that while this scenario happened, just this week, it didn?t happen in a school playground. It took place on parenting forum Mumsnet. The ?new kid? was a mum who?d just joined the Mumsnet Bloggers Network, and while her original post on the forum was arguably ill-judged, the reaction from other forum users was gobsmacking.

Much has been written in the past about the nastiness lurking in the Mumsnet forums, yet it seems to be brushed under the carpet and generally accepted as ?one of those things?. The users of the forum adhere to the bizarre ?I can be as nasty and vicious as I like, as long as I?m being honest and say it to the person?s face? mentality. It?s an attitude that took flight during the ten seasons of reality TV show Big Brother, with housemates gaining a strange kudos for being nasty (but honest).

The Mumsnet forum users also regularly refer to the rival ?insipid? parenting forums (for insipid, read supportive and friendly) and tell people that if they can?t handle Mumsnet, to clear off elsewhere. Conjures up images of a school gang telling a fellow pupil that if they don?t like the name-calling, to leave that school and find another, doesn?t it?

The word ?bullying? is bandied about a lot these days. Often to the point that it devalues its meaning ? very frustrating for real victims of real bullying. But having dipped in and out of Mumsnet a few times in the last couple of years, I genuinely think the word applies to some of the goings-on there. It begs the question: how on earth are we supposed to stamp out the serious bullying problem we have in schools, if parents are behaving like this? Admittedly, they?re doing it while hiding behind the anonymity of an online forum, but they?re still typing those words, saying those vile things, making other women feel like crap.

So what are Mumsnet doing about this? Well, not much it seems. Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts explained it away, in a Daily Mail article, last year, saying, ?We don?t want to sound like schoolteachers looking over our spectacles, and we don?t do it publicly. If someone has made personal attacks, we may contact them off board and it?s amazing how often they?ll say, ?I?m so sorry ? yesterday was just one of those days?. Mothers often have a lot going on in their lives and they don?t always realise how their words may come across.?

Ah, so this behaviour is acceptable if they?ve had a bad day and apologise afterwards? Well, it doesn?t wash with me, and the whole scenario is even more worrying when you look at the apparent clout that Justine Roberts and Mumsnet have with David Cameron.

I?m putting a challenge out there. We need an intervention. Someone needs to stand up to the Mumsnet bullies and deal with them like we deal with the school bullies. Who?s brave enough to do it?

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loopylou6 · 15/03/2012 16:40

Oh ffs mumle if mumsnet bothers you that much then I suggest you need to get out more and whilst you're there get yourself a very large grip Hmm

Maryz · 15/03/2012 16:41

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LaurieFairyCake · 15/03/2012 16:42

TheRhubarb - apologies if what I said about Netmums upset you in any way - I went there for an afternoon about 5 years ago and that was what I saw in one afternoon - there was a woman there called Moira something who was being talked about apparently on Facebook by a whole group of women.

I got scared back to mumsnet pretty quickly Grin

usualsuspect · 15/03/2012 16:43

And veiled references to other nasty posters annoy me Grin

In fact quite a lot of things annoy me atm

TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 16:44

The Netmums comments irk me and the MN Royalty thing irks me.

Yes there are posters here who have been members for ages and like to drop in references to Justine and who are usually followed by other oldies who then all engage in a great big love-fest. If ever I get accused of that I'll eat my own vomit. But most of the trouble is caused by posters who lurk in chat and AIBU and just like MN Royalty they have their 'friends' who egg them on, agree with their comments and take great pleasure in trying to be the most offensive.

thebody · 15/03/2012 16:45

I think to start a thread and then completely disappear is passive aggressive behaviour. Love love mumsnet, even the ops who have told me to fuck off are the types of women I would mix with, feisty, funny and supportive if needed .

Mummie sorry but you sort if don't!!!

BelleDameSansMerci · 15/03/2012 16:46

Oh please, give it a rest...

I'm sorry if you feel bullied but I don't believe that's most people's experience of MN.

Really, and not at all bullying in tone, if you don't like it here perhaps it's not the forum for you?

Melusina · 15/03/2012 16:46

Mummle, I have done exactly what your OP says (in chat) and 12 posts in and not a bad word to be said by anyone.

Conclusion: you take the good with the bad and make the most of your own experience

usualsuspect · 15/03/2012 16:47

Oh yes, the MN royalty thing pisses me off too.

bibbityisaporker · 15/03/2012 16:47

Is it too childish to point out that op started it Grin? (three or four times).

She is being deliberately provocative, people are rising to the bait.

catinboots · 15/03/2012 16:47

I wholeheartedly agree with TheRhubarb

The competetive swearing on these kind of threads seems to have become the norm. I don't remember it alsways being like that???

TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 16:48

I don't keep a spreadsheet usualsuspect, but even my shit memory has clocked a few names! Sorry, just wanted to prove that there is a serious point to this and that not all trouble makers are members of MN Royalty.

Netmums is completely different and those members usually build up lasting relationships, so their community is also quite strong. However you could spend an afternoon on Mumsnet on a bad day and decide that you'd never go back! Blimey, I've felt like that on many a day!

We just need to be aware that this is going on and perhaps as a community, we should rally round newbies and speak out when we see the pack mentality going on?

quirrelquarrel · 15/03/2012 16:48

There were plenty of times when people could have "bullied" me on here, lots of silly posts, but people were nice or took me seriously instead.

Maybe it's because they know how old I am or they just can't be bothered...but it's nothing like a school playground, believe me.

GinSlinger · 15/03/2012 16:48

oh for goodness sake the people on this site offer support in countless ways through the blanket projects, the xmas presents, the personal support through DMs and the people who give so much of their time in relationships, childbirth, feeding - no end of ways. And so a few people are sometimes a bit harsh, even nasty? Report their post.

TheBigJessie · 15/03/2012 16:48

I remember that thread. I did feel sorry for typecast. It did get pretty bad. A right pile-on.

However, I've seen far worse on here. I particularly disliked the nasty little thread some people make, that make veiled little digs at particular posters.

That's bloody despicable.

Fuzzywood · 15/03/2012 16:49

Housewife I don't disagree about not responding and the op will probably give up and go away but I'm irked this afternoon and people calling me and other posters bullies annoyed me.
Anyway, I don't like the whole MN vs NM thing either. Each to their own which has been the point made on this thread a number of times. If you don't enjoy posting on a particular web forum then just don't.

porcamiseria · 15/03/2012 16:49

OOOH, I was taking a little peek at some of the unkinder comments earlier on (to see if I had overeacted) and I saw that MN has deleted them, so they were vile.

I also took a peek at that thread she refers to and indeed some of people were vile there too

But lets keep on saying that the OP deserves it as they are "inflammatory" , and hide behind our screens eh!

again its only the internet, give a fuck right?

but what disturbs me is seeing grown women doing a shit kicking pack mentality thing. Its like Lord of the bloody flies (ergo waaaaaay milder)

I dont know why, but it DOES disquiet me

PeppermintPasty · 15/03/2012 16:49

I tend only to post in relationships and aibu on a reasonably regular basis so I can't comment on other sections of the site. I suppose in an ideal world the thing to do with an obviously inflammatory post is to ignore ignore ignore and the thread would shrivel up and die.

Some might say though that the whole point of aibu for example, is to be controversial/outspoken/frank. Rude, even, when called for. So it's a big ask to suggest everyone steps away from the first page of an OP on this basis. But I understand the logic.

GinSlinger · 15/03/2012 16:50

my reply isn't aimed at Rhubarb it's just a general grump because I want to celebrate the loveliness that comes out of this site. You have to put a bit in before you get anything back sometimes, but that said, a lot of people still give their time to people who have never been here.

There are more trolls who sap the goodwill of people than bullies. Especially the vampire trolls who muck about with the bereavement boards.

usualsuspect · 15/03/2012 16:52

I do feel for new posters , but theres so many trolls on here at the minute I think people are very wary . I know I am.

I'm not keen on the competitive swearing either and I do swear.

ScrambledSmegs · 15/03/2012 16:52

Hmm. This subject really appears to be bugging the OP.

FWIW, I don't agree with her viewpoint. I remember the thread she's talking about and the OP of that one really didn't help herself. I think it all descended into chicken jokes anyway? Probably for the best.

I've never been bullied on MN. I have always been supported and educated. Maybe you get out what you put in?

TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 16:53

Would her controversial thread have got such a huge response if it were not just a tiny bit true?

Anyway, I'm off to blog about you all now, especially that poster who I shan't name but who is most definitely not a suspect usual iykwim Wink cheerio! Grin

PeppermintPasty · 15/03/2012 16:53

porca, I really don't see a huge "bandwagon" mentality. There is a bit I suppose. I'm tempted to say that's life, but that's a cop out I know.

The thing I don't get is why people harp on about bullying in this sort of situation. The OP is not an innocent little chicken inadvertently walking into a chicken factory. What about the responsibility of an OP like this to write something constructive, intelligent and less self aggrandising?

LindenAvery · 15/03/2012 16:53

I just feel this is a site where members will just not tolerate BS and will be quick to call on it before other posters get unknowingly caught up in offering support, revealing too much personal information or attacked.

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