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when I post about trying to bring an end to bullying on Mumsnet? Read this post and see for yourselves that I am not the only one.

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Mummle · 15/03/2012 14:56

Who?s brave enough to take on Mumsnet?
Posted on July 28, 2011
Picture this. A new kid at school enters the playground on her first day. ?TA-DA!? she shouts to a group of children playing together. ?I?M FINALLY HERE after much moaning by my parents and a lost school application, the school board have fast-tracked my application and I?m now officially a pupil here. What have I let myself in for??

The child continues, ?Some of you may already know me, in which case ?Hi?. Some of you may never have heard of me, in which case ?Hi? ? where the heck have you been for the past two years??

One of the children in the group sneers, ?I have no idea who you are. Sorry,? and turns away. ?Well it?s nice to meet you!? offers the new kid.

?Look, I?ve been here longer than you,? says the sneering child, ?and your entrance has got my back up.? Before long, more children get involved, slagging off the new kid, telling her that she?s broken the school?s ?unwritten rules? and even calling her a c*.

The scary thing is that while this scenario happened, just this week, it didn?t happen in a school playground. It took place on parenting forum Mumsnet. The ?new kid? was a mum who?d just joined the Mumsnet Bloggers Network, and while her original post on the forum was arguably ill-judged, the reaction from other forum users was gobsmacking.

Much has been written in the past about the nastiness lurking in the Mumsnet forums, yet it seems to be brushed under the carpet and generally accepted as ?one of those things?. The users of the forum adhere to the bizarre ?I can be as nasty and vicious as I like, as long as I?m being honest and say it to the person?s face? mentality. It?s an attitude that took flight during the ten seasons of reality TV show Big Brother, with housemates gaining a strange kudos for being nasty (but honest).

The Mumsnet forum users also regularly refer to the rival ?insipid? parenting forums (for insipid, read supportive and friendly) and tell people that if they can?t handle Mumsnet, to clear off elsewhere. Conjures up images of a school gang telling a fellow pupil that if they don?t like the name-calling, to leave that school and find another, doesn?t it?

The word ?bullying? is bandied about a lot these days. Often to the point that it devalues its meaning ? very frustrating for real victims of real bullying. But having dipped in and out of Mumsnet a few times in the last couple of years, I genuinely think the word applies to some of the goings-on there. It begs the question: how on earth are we supposed to stamp out the serious bullying problem we have in schools, if parents are behaving like this? Admittedly, they?re doing it while hiding behind the anonymity of an online forum, but they?re still typing those words, saying those vile things, making other women feel like crap.

So what are Mumsnet doing about this? Well, not much it seems. Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts explained it away, in a Daily Mail article, last year, saying, ?We don?t want to sound like schoolteachers looking over our spectacles, and we don?t do it publicly. If someone has made personal attacks, we may contact them off board and it?s amazing how often they?ll say, ?I?m so sorry ? yesterday was just one of those days?. Mothers often have a lot going on in their lives and they don?t always realise how their words may come across.?

Ah, so this behaviour is acceptable if they?ve had a bad day and apologise afterwards? Well, it doesn?t wash with me, and the whole scenario is even more worrying when you look at the apparent clout that Justine Roberts and Mumsnet have with David Cameron.

I?m putting a challenge out there. We need an intervention. Someone needs to stand up to the Mumsnet bullies and deal with them like we deal with the school bullies. Who?s brave enough to do it?

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PandaWatch · 15/03/2012 16:04

Thanks Calamity

Oh wait...Grin

catgirl1976 · 15/03/2012 16:04
Grin
BeerTricksPott3r · 15/03/2012 16:05

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hobnobsaremyfavourite · 15/03/2012 16:05

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PandaWatch · 15/03/2012 16:06

I got confused by the link - looks like it starts half way through a thread?

Calamityboo · 15/03/2012 16:07

:) speak to you in a mo catgirl, about to throw a macaroon at usualsuspect

Check me out getting stuck in Grin

Moominsarescary · 15/03/2012 16:08

Oh ffs, please get a life.

This is an Internet site. If you don't like what is being posted feel free to find somewhere else.

You have a choice

Fuzzywood · 15/03/2012 16:09

I've just re-read the opening line of the OP (only slightly less painful than googling dragon butter) and have a question for you OP. You ask if anyone is brave enough to take on MN, by definition aren't the posters on here MN? < attempts to start fight with self>
Nope doesn't work!

Tee2072 · 15/03/2012 16:09

Probably bookmarked, Panda, scroll through to the beginning.

JustHecate · 15/03/2012 16:10

Of course if people are being horrible, they should be pulled up on it. People should be challenged when they are being vile. And I think, for the most part, they are - normally by other members!

But - It's only a forum. Just a chatroom, when all's said and done.

It's not somewhere anyone has to go, it's not the only place on the internet you'll find people, it's not the only place you'll get information.

There are loads of places out there.

People should all feel free to find the one that suits them best.

That is not 'fuck off if you don't like it'. It's simply common sense that there is no point going to something like a chatroom if you're not enjoying it, when there are other options out there and bound to be one that you love.

I don't understand why anyone would make themselves miserable coming back to a place they don't like.

To draw a comparison - I've been to a loooooot of pubs in my time. Grin Some I've loved and gone back to. Some I've hated and never gone back to, not because anyone was rude, but because it just didn't feel like a comfy place for me. Some, people turned and sneered at me, or didn't talk to me, or laughed at me - I decided that wasn't a place I wanted to be and I left and went to see if the next pub was more to my liking. Nobody needs to go to a pub, but if you want to - find one you like. Don't go to one you hate, every night, and moan about how horrible it is.

Hell, if your child isn't happy at their school, you can move them. If you hate your job you can look for another - and they're what you'd consider your essentials! A chatroom isn't. So why subject yourself to a place you don't HAVE to go to - when you don't even like it?

It's bonkers to do that. It's just not necessary when there are so many other places to choose instead. Why plug away at a place you don't like when you could be having a lovely time somewhere else?

Calamityboo · 15/03/2012 16:10

Ooh fuzzy that is like soooo deeep

tethersend · 15/03/2012 16:10

TA DA!!!!

I'm finally her...

...Oh no, sorry, I've just got to pop out.

LindenAvery · 15/03/2012 16:11

< enters from the left high kicking with jazz hands on account of not announcing Ta Da when first posting far too many years ago .......... Exit right>

ChaoticAngel · 15/03/2012 16:11

Calamity I've learned a lot of things from mn that I really didn't need to know but like I said earlier I gave up on resisting curiosity a while back Grin

WandaDoff · 15/03/2012 16:13

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porcamiseria · 15/03/2012 16:14

WHY ARE PEOPLE STILL SHIT KICKING THE OP

really? why bother? It will make her feel like shit, whats the fucking point?

I fucking hate the herd mentality on here

Its so funny, ha ha fuck off to netmums

I think its really fucking nasty

ChaoticAngel · 15/03/2012 16:14

Panda when I clicked on the link I was at the end of it. Try flipping the thread, it might help.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss · 15/03/2012 16:14

OP, Rhinos got it right in the second post here! ^^

Everyone else, my favourite never google is 'Monkey Face'. It made I larf and larf and larf!

Calamityboo · 15/03/2012 16:14

So what you are saying angel is just embrace the madness!!

Hiya catgirl hows this one going for you, I for one am thoroughly dissapointed at the lack of baked goods being flung :(

2shoes · 15/03/2012 16:15

perhaps because she is slagging mn off. and seems to keep doing it

Fuzzywood · 15/03/2012 16:15

Why thank you Calamity I think Grin
I was just trying to type something other than Fuck off to the OP. Not sure why..... Confused

cornsilkidy · 15/03/2012 16:15

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hopkin · 15/03/2012 16:15

Might be useful to bloggers too?

lesley33 · 15/03/2012 16:15

porca - Actually lots of posters on here have been very reasonable to the OP..look at justhecate's post just above.

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