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when I post about trying to bring an end to bullying on Mumsnet? Read this post and see for yourselves that I am not the only one.

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Mummle · 15/03/2012 14:56

Who?s brave enough to take on Mumsnet?
Posted on July 28, 2011
Picture this. A new kid at school enters the playground on her first day. ?TA-DA!? she shouts to a group of children playing together. ?I?M FINALLY HERE after much moaning by my parents and a lost school application, the school board have fast-tracked my application and I?m now officially a pupil here. What have I let myself in for??

The child continues, ?Some of you may already know me, in which case ?Hi?. Some of you may never have heard of me, in which case ?Hi? ? where the heck have you been for the past two years??

One of the children in the group sneers, ?I have no idea who you are. Sorry,? and turns away. ?Well it?s nice to meet you!? offers the new kid.

?Look, I?ve been here longer than you,? says the sneering child, ?and your entrance has got my back up.? Before long, more children get involved, slagging off the new kid, telling her that she?s broken the school?s ?unwritten rules? and even calling her a c*.

The scary thing is that while this scenario happened, just this week, it didn?t happen in a school playground. It took place on parenting forum Mumsnet. The ?new kid? was a mum who?d just joined the Mumsnet Bloggers Network, and while her original post on the forum was arguably ill-judged, the reaction from other forum users was gobsmacking.

Much has been written in the past about the nastiness lurking in the Mumsnet forums, yet it seems to be brushed under the carpet and generally accepted as ?one of those things?. The users of the forum adhere to the bizarre ?I can be as nasty and vicious as I like, as long as I?m being honest and say it to the person?s face? mentality. It?s an attitude that took flight during the ten seasons of reality TV show Big Brother, with housemates gaining a strange kudos for being nasty (but honest).

The Mumsnet forum users also regularly refer to the rival ?insipid? parenting forums (for insipid, read supportive and friendly) and tell people that if they can?t handle Mumsnet, to clear off elsewhere. Conjures up images of a school gang telling a fellow pupil that if they don?t like the name-calling, to leave that school and find another, doesn?t it?

The word ?bullying? is bandied about a lot these days. Often to the point that it devalues its meaning ? very frustrating for real victims of real bullying. But having dipped in and out of Mumsnet a few times in the last couple of years, I genuinely think the word applies to some of the goings-on there. It begs the question: how on earth are we supposed to stamp out the serious bullying problem we have in schools, if parents are behaving like this? Admittedly, they?re doing it while hiding behind the anonymity of an online forum, but they?re still typing those words, saying those vile things, making other women feel like crap.

So what are Mumsnet doing about this? Well, not much it seems. Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts explained it away, in a Daily Mail article, last year, saying, ?We don?t want to sound like schoolteachers looking over our spectacles, and we don?t do it publicly. If someone has made personal attacks, we may contact them off board and it?s amazing how often they?ll say, ?I?m so sorry ? yesterday was just one of those days?. Mothers often have a lot going on in their lives and they don?t always realise how their words may come across.?

Ah, so this behaviour is acceptable if they?ve had a bad day and apologise afterwards? Well, it doesn?t wash with me, and the whole scenario is even more worrying when you look at the apparent clout that Justine Roberts and Mumsnet have with David Cameron.

I?m putting a challenge out there. We need an intervention. Someone needs to stand up to the Mumsnet bullies and deal with them like we deal with the school bullies. Who?s brave enough to do it?

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sunshineoutdoors · 15/03/2012 18:43

I've had lots of support here, mn has really helped me a lot, and I know if I've got a question I can come and ask here and people will take the time to give me their take on things. I think that is the opposite of bullying.

I do tend to search out the appropriate topic instead of using AIBU. If I can't find the right topic or want a lot of people to respond quickly I use chat.

If you've had a bad experience here I wouldn't let it get you down. Either don't visit the site, or lurk for a while, get to know the tone of the place and then decide how you want to use it.

I think wherever you go in life there will be a minority of people who think differently to you and who are outspoken enough not to sugar coat how they let you know this. I don't think you can change this but you can change how you react, perceive and respond in order not to let it upset you.

Honestly I think mn is a supportive place on the whole, just perhaps not in AIBU, but by its nature you are asking people to tell you straight if you are unreasonable, so you need to be prepared to hear it.

Pagwatch · 15/03/2012 18:44

The whole netmums thing is odd. Because mners get arsy when people roll up and trot out crap stereotypes about mn. And yet people post crap stereotypes about netmums.
We are in danger of being the pot to their kettle surely.

I like chorizo sausage. I am dead exotic.

Pagwatch · 15/03/2012 18:47

And admitting that yes, unfirtunately I do get called mn royalty is the equivalent of sticking 'i am a cunt so kick me' on my back. So knock yourselves out ..Grin and [cries a bit]

PeppermintPasty · 15/03/2012 18:47

Am I too late to offer round a plate of vanilla cupcakes with melted milky way and silver balls on top? I know they sound a bit rich but they go down lovely with a nice cup of tea.

garlicbutter · 15/03/2012 18:57

Gawd. I haven't read the thread as can possibly predict how it goes - OP not come back, lots of MN-loving and how many people have googled dragon butter?

The story in the OP made me want to pull the little girl's plaits. Talk about "Me, me, me!" And I'm highly pissed off about the number of whingeing threads here atm, whose OPs get all huffy because not every respondent agrees with them. ("Me, me, me.") Disagreement isn't bullying, it's conversation!

There is bullying on Mumsnet, as there is in any large group. But, FGS, if you post to any forum saying "I am the Princess Of Fucking Wonderful and Everybody Must Agree With Me", you'll get short shrift and deserve it.

Off with their heads!

Stratters · 15/03/2012 18:59

Paggy is quite right, as usual.

RhinosDontEatPancakes · 15/03/2012 19:03

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garlicbutter · 15/03/2012 19:03

Oh, Paggy's always right Grin

garlicbutter · 15/03/2012 19:03

There was poetry?

RhinosDontEatPancakes · 15/03/2012 19:04

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garlicbutter · 15/03/2012 19:04

Rhinos, your ditty was far too generous. 3/10

garlicbutter · 15/03/2012 19:05

Make that 6/20 Wink

PeppermintPasty · 15/03/2012 19:05

Sod you lot I'm eating them all meself

RhinosDontEatPancakes · 15/03/2012 19:06

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Pagwatch · 15/03/2012 19:07

Grin at Rhino and her subtle poem.

garlicbutter · 15/03/2012 19:07

YAY! Grin

20/20, Rhinos!

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 15/03/2012 19:09

Why is it not OK to be pissed off when someone joins mumsnet, and it seems as if the first thing they do is to start complaining about it, and wanting it to change?

As someone said on one of mummie's anti-swearing-on-mumsnet threads, you wouldn't walk into a pub, or join a group of some sort, and immediately start telling people that they have to start doing things your way - which is what mummie has done.

As far as I can see, she likes very little of what she has seen on here, and I cannot, for the life of me understand why she is still posting here. I joined both mumsnet and netmums, and found that mumsnet was more to my taste - so I stayed here. It would have been arrogant and rude for me to stamp into netmums and start multiple threads about how annoying I found their tickers and their swear filter - plus I cannot imagine spending so much time trying to change somewhere into what you want it to be - when, to be frank, no website is going to change on the say-so of one new member - I'd just not go back to that website and would try to find one more to my taste.

StrandedBear · 15/03/2012 19:11

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LeBOF · 15/03/2012 19:15

Very clever poem Grin

NorfolkNChance · 15/03/2012 19:16

Loving the poem Rhino, no amount of song lyrics will beat that so I won't even try!

UnlikelyAmazonian · 15/03/2012 19:17

I only read the first post. Huffington Post Trainee?

StrandedBear · 15/03/2012 19:18

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NicholasTeakozy · 15/03/2012 19:19

How lovely to see a fellow fan of acrostics Rhino. They're vair subtle...

NarkedPuffin · 15/03/2012 19:20

Beautiful.

garlicbutter · 15/03/2012 19:21

That's fantastic, Stranded.

What glorious creativity has been spawned from a little bit of mundane cuntery!