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when I post about trying to bring an end to bullying on Mumsnet? Read this post and see for yourselves that I am not the only one.

527 replies

Mummle · 15/03/2012 14:56

Who?s brave enough to take on Mumsnet?
Posted on July 28, 2011
Picture this. A new kid at school enters the playground on her first day. ?TA-DA!? she shouts to a group of children playing together. ?I?M FINALLY HERE after much moaning by my parents and a lost school application, the school board have fast-tracked my application and I?m now officially a pupil here. What have I let myself in for??

The child continues, ?Some of you may already know me, in which case ?Hi?. Some of you may never have heard of me, in which case ?Hi? ? where the heck have you been for the past two years??

One of the children in the group sneers, ?I have no idea who you are. Sorry,? and turns away. ?Well it?s nice to meet you!? offers the new kid.

?Look, I?ve been here longer than you,? says the sneering child, ?and your entrance has got my back up.? Before long, more children get involved, slagging off the new kid, telling her that she?s broken the school?s ?unwritten rules? and even calling her a c*.

The scary thing is that while this scenario happened, just this week, it didn?t happen in a school playground. It took place on parenting forum Mumsnet. The ?new kid? was a mum who?d just joined the Mumsnet Bloggers Network, and while her original post on the forum was arguably ill-judged, the reaction from other forum users was gobsmacking.

Much has been written in the past about the nastiness lurking in the Mumsnet forums, yet it seems to be brushed under the carpet and generally accepted as ?one of those things?. The users of the forum adhere to the bizarre ?I can be as nasty and vicious as I like, as long as I?m being honest and say it to the person?s face? mentality. It?s an attitude that took flight during the ten seasons of reality TV show Big Brother, with housemates gaining a strange kudos for being nasty (but honest).

The Mumsnet forum users also regularly refer to the rival ?insipid? parenting forums (for insipid, read supportive and friendly) and tell people that if they can?t handle Mumsnet, to clear off elsewhere. Conjures up images of a school gang telling a fellow pupil that if they don?t like the name-calling, to leave that school and find another, doesn?t it?

The word ?bullying? is bandied about a lot these days. Often to the point that it devalues its meaning ? very frustrating for real victims of real bullying. But having dipped in and out of Mumsnet a few times in the last couple of years, I genuinely think the word applies to some of the goings-on there. It begs the question: how on earth are we supposed to stamp out the serious bullying problem we have in schools, if parents are behaving like this? Admittedly, they?re doing it while hiding behind the anonymity of an online forum, but they?re still typing those words, saying those vile things, making other women feel like crap.

So what are Mumsnet doing about this? Well, not much it seems. Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts explained it away, in a Daily Mail article, last year, saying, ?We don?t want to sound like schoolteachers looking over our spectacles, and we don?t do it publicly. If someone has made personal attacks, we may contact them off board and it?s amazing how often they?ll say, ?I?m so sorry ? yesterday was just one of those days?. Mothers often have a lot going on in their lives and they don?t always realise how their words may come across.?

Ah, so this behaviour is acceptable if they?ve had a bad day and apologise afterwards? Well, it doesn?t wash with me, and the whole scenario is even more worrying when you look at the apparent clout that Justine Roberts and Mumsnet have with David Cameron.

I?m putting a challenge out there. We need an intervention. Someone needs to stand up to the Mumsnet bullies and deal with them like we deal with the school bullies. Who?s brave enough to do it?

OP posts:
Goawaybob · 15/03/2012 17:43

Does the OP only ever post one post and then not return? i notice she did this the other night. Does she need help ?

Stratters · 15/03/2012 17:44

Allo Narked

It is definitely getting there, splint's off in 2 weeks, scar has almost vanished already - v impressed with that seeing as it runs almost the whole length of my fingy, and it looks like it's been a complete success. Grin

NarkedPuffin · 15/03/2012 17:45

Excellent.

gordyslovesheep · 15/03/2012 17:45

It's terrible that I clicked that link expecting to see a penis isn;t it ... I need to get out more

NarkedPuffin · 15/03/2012 17:46

Sorry to disappoint Grin

gordyslovesheep · 15/03/2012 17:47

try harder next time Grin

Stratters · 15/03/2012 17:50

Don't let Tiggy see that, he'll be swooping it into the Stock Cupboard and whipping out his camera.

Shock
NicholasTeakozy · 15/03/2012 17:51

This thread has been started at least three times now by by someone using similar names. Each time it gets pulled due to accusations of bullying which are, in my opinion, unjustified. Just because we don't agree with her view does not make us bullies. I agree 'fuck off to Nethuns' isn't helpful, but it's always going to happen. I'm no bully, I think the few posters who 'know' me will attest to that. I started an AIBU thread which got quite heated, but having slightly thicker skin than the OP I sucked it up. Then again, at no time did I feel bullied, I just enjoyed the arguments, and although it was fighty, none of the posts were deleted IIRC.

Starting essentially the same thread three times smacks of desperation, or attention seeking, and tbh I should've kept away from it. Isn't hindsight wonderful? :)

bobbledunk · 15/03/2012 17:51

Why was my message deleted? Without the 'fuck' (at least I think there was a fuck) here is the gist of it; we are adults, not children and don't need to be patronised as such.

Wow, so abusive, sure that the fainthearted must have almost died at the prospect of a woman declaring grown women as 'adults', the cheek of me, I should be chained to the kitchen sink with a teddy bearGrin

RhinosDontEatPancakes · 15/03/2012 17:56

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Sassybeast · 15/03/2012 18:00

So if the general concensus is that 'If you don't like it, don't read it', why is it the same core group of vocal posters repeatedly responding to the OPs posts ? If MN matters so little, words ona screen etc why the desperate need to convince the OP that MN isn't in fact a full of bullies

How about errr - if you don't like it, don't read it ?

bobbledunk · 15/03/2012 18:07

She is trying to ban us from speaking, it's on her to piss off and leave people be.

Stratters · 15/03/2012 18:10

I'm bored and have nothing better to do. Grin

ilikecandyandrunning · 15/03/2012 18:15

OP... Seriously, you news to get a bit of a life, but then again, I don't mid year kind of threads as they are quite hilarious so carry on if you need to!

It is also quite funny how you set yourself up though - quote the opposite effect to what you intended isn't it HUN?

BupcakesandCunting · 15/03/2012 18:18
saggarmakersbottomknocker · 15/03/2012 18:21

Oh have we done cake yet?

shootingstarz · 15/03/2012 18:21

I?m new to Mumsnet, I have found the posters unbelievably kind especially the ones that have taken the time to PM me. This site is extremely helpful and informative the odd nasty comment is by far outweighed by the kind and considerate posters.

Coconutty · 15/03/2012 18:26

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 18:26

I personally like it when a few posters come along, who haven't read the last few pages, and illustrate perfectly the kind of responses I was criticising earlier on. You know, when people said that bullying wasn't really an issue and that no-one was being insulting?

I do get a terrible kick out of that - is that bad?

saggar I'm still waiting for the tatties to be done. Been in the oven for an hour now. Nearly there then in go the sausages (non organic or free range but these cheapo sausages have probably never even seen a pig). Not got cake but might get dd to make some cherry buns later on, d'you want one of those?

The cherries are non-organic and the flour has a shit load of gluten in it. Grin

LeBOF · 15/03/2012 18:29

I think Coconutty was being ironic.

saggarmakersbottomknocker · 15/03/2012 18:29

Battenburg Rhubarb.

I want Battenburg. I threw my last bit at someone on the last deleted thread. Or maybe it was the thread before that. There's been so many....

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 15/03/2012 18:29

See I tried reasoned responses and reasonable discussion on2 or 3 threads with the OP all of which were deleted. Sorry if telling someone to fuck off offends some but I get cheesed off when after 5 threads someone who is clearly trolling and socking is left to stand, it just makes people more cynical and unbelieving.

hobnobsaremyfavourite · 15/03/2012 18:30
BoneyBackJefferson · 15/03/2012 18:32

OP, you posted on a thread where 99% of the posters disagreed with you.

Build a bridge

Get the fuck over it.

(you can have my first ever Biscuit for making me swear)

Calamityboo · 15/03/2012 18:40

rhubarb, of course your sausages have seen a pig, they are made from hoof, snout and bum! Grin enjoy your tea!

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