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when I post about trying to bring an end to bullying on Mumsnet? Read this post and see for yourselves that I am not the only one.

527 replies

Mummle · 15/03/2012 14:56

Who?s brave enough to take on Mumsnet?
Posted on July 28, 2011
Picture this. A new kid at school enters the playground on her first day. ?TA-DA!? she shouts to a group of children playing together. ?I?M FINALLY HERE after much moaning by my parents and a lost school application, the school board have fast-tracked my application and I?m now officially a pupil here. What have I let myself in for??

The child continues, ?Some of you may already know me, in which case ?Hi?. Some of you may never have heard of me, in which case ?Hi? ? where the heck have you been for the past two years??

One of the children in the group sneers, ?I have no idea who you are. Sorry,? and turns away. ?Well it?s nice to meet you!? offers the new kid.

?Look, I?ve been here longer than you,? says the sneering child, ?and your entrance has got my back up.? Before long, more children get involved, slagging off the new kid, telling her that she?s broken the school?s ?unwritten rules? and even calling her a c*.

The scary thing is that while this scenario happened, just this week, it didn?t happen in a school playground. It took place on parenting forum Mumsnet. The ?new kid? was a mum who?d just joined the Mumsnet Bloggers Network, and while her original post on the forum was arguably ill-judged, the reaction from other forum users was gobsmacking.

Much has been written in the past about the nastiness lurking in the Mumsnet forums, yet it seems to be brushed under the carpet and generally accepted as ?one of those things?. The users of the forum adhere to the bizarre ?I can be as nasty and vicious as I like, as long as I?m being honest and say it to the person?s face? mentality. It?s an attitude that took flight during the ten seasons of reality TV show Big Brother, with housemates gaining a strange kudos for being nasty (but honest).

The Mumsnet forum users also regularly refer to the rival ?insipid? parenting forums (for insipid, read supportive and friendly) and tell people that if they can?t handle Mumsnet, to clear off elsewhere. Conjures up images of a school gang telling a fellow pupil that if they don?t like the name-calling, to leave that school and find another, doesn?t it?

The word ?bullying? is bandied about a lot these days. Often to the point that it devalues its meaning ? very frustrating for real victims of real bullying. But having dipped in and out of Mumsnet a few times in the last couple of years, I genuinely think the word applies to some of the goings-on there. It begs the question: how on earth are we supposed to stamp out the serious bullying problem we have in schools, if parents are behaving like this? Admittedly, they?re doing it while hiding behind the anonymity of an online forum, but they?re still typing those words, saying those vile things, making other women feel like crap.

So what are Mumsnet doing about this? Well, not much it seems. Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts explained it away, in a Daily Mail article, last year, saying, ?We don?t want to sound like schoolteachers looking over our spectacles, and we don?t do it publicly. If someone has made personal attacks, we may contact them off board and it?s amazing how often they?ll say, ?I?m so sorry ? yesterday was just one of those days?. Mothers often have a lot going on in their lives and they don?t always realise how their words may come across.?

Ah, so this behaviour is acceptable if they?ve had a bad day and apologise afterwards? Well, it doesn?t wash with me, and the whole scenario is even more worrying when you look at the apparent clout that Justine Roberts and Mumsnet have with David Cameron.

I?m putting a challenge out there. We need an intervention. Someone needs to stand up to the Mumsnet bullies and deal with them like we deal with the school bullies. Who?s brave enough to do it?

OP posts:
lesley33 · 15/03/2012 17:19

And like lots of other posters I have posted many times here that it is silly to be rude about netmums. It doesn't suit me, but it will suit others. I actually read a lot more posts tbh criticising other posters for criticising netmums, than I actually read general criticism of netmums.

JustHecate · 15/03/2012 17:20

Now there's a question I can get on board with...

How y'doing rhubs? Grin

JasperJohns · 15/03/2012 17:21

mummie - I need to say thanks.

I was feeling shattered after a very early start and the soporific effect of your OP resulted in a much needed snooze.

WHY are you still here? If you don't like MN, go away. I promise no-one will miss you.

Stratters · 15/03/2012 17:22

I've seen very little bullying on here. I've seen plenty of disagreements and differences of opinions, but this is an adults site, and it's a pretty immature person who can't have a disagreement without shouting 'bully'. The only time I have seen true nastiness was before I started posting and there were a couple of truly nasty posters who have since been banned although we all know they still walk amongst us.

TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 17:22

Yeah not bad thanks!

Now look 'ere though, I have these sausages and I'm bored of pasta/mash/toad in the hole. So what else can I do with them that does not involve stuffing them up any kind of orifice - before you start!

DoomCatsofCognitiveDissonance · 15/03/2012 17:22

therhubarb - sorry, it was very belated reply agreeing with usual. Upthread higgle commented it's nicer now that certain posters with certain views (which she listed, making them extremely easy to identify) had 'flounced'. It just seemed a nasty thing to say, and rather pointless unless she hoped they were in fact still around and reading the boards.

HugADalek · 15/03/2012 17:23

I've seen this on every forum I go on, Mumsnet is not special in that respect.

TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 17:24

Well I dunno stratters, people who tell the OP that they fell asleep reading her post, why is she still here, why doesn't she just go away and that no-one would miss here could be construed as pretty pathetic too. May I suggest that no-one would miss posters who post comments such as these?

JustHecate · 15/03/2012 17:24

How well you know me...

Sweet and sour sausages with rice. Just chop them up and bung a jar over them and stick it in the oven.

It's not corden bleu, but it's tasty.

Stratters · 15/03/2012 17:24

Pressed post too quickly Blush

My point is, is that if you are on a thread and 90% of posters are saying you are wrong, then you need to take that big fat hint, and not throw your toys out and cry 'bully'.

And it's Mummle with an 'L' for some reason that is irrationally annoying me

TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 17:25

Back to the sausages - anyone?

DoomCatsofCognitiveDissonance · 15/03/2012 17:25

I have to say, IMO the nastiest stuff on here (call it what you like) is the way people do sometimes go after a poster without naming them, but in such a way that everyone knows who was meant. It's like starting a thread about a thread in order to ask everyone to be nasty about the first set of responses.

Other than that MN is great and full of kittens and puppies and other lovely things.

PandaWatch · 15/03/2012 17:25

Rhubard - paella

JustHecate · 15/03/2012 17:25
Grin
DoomCatsofCognitiveDissonance · 15/03/2012 17:26
TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 17:26

Hmm, not a bad idea Hecate but we had a chinese the other day and I don't have any jars.

Oooooh jacket spuds! Just thought! Let's see, if I put them in the oven now they'll be ready for half six!

Stratters - I wonder where mummie is? Grin

BellaVita · 15/03/2012 17:28

I bet that Hecate is a dab hand with a sausage...

Stratters · 15/03/2012 17:28

We have Chicken 'Korma', lovingly made at school by DD2. We've had a nibble and both agree that, lovely though it is - and it really is, it bears absolutely no resemblance to Korma whatsoever.

She's in the kitchen, happily sorting it out. Pimp My Curry, Lincolnshire stylee/

Stratters · 15/03/2012 17:29

Rhubs

NarkedPuffin · 15/03/2012 17:29

A popular legend attributes the invention of the Simnel cake to Lambert Simnel, but this is clearly false since the Simnel cake appears in English literature prior to Lambert's escapades.

JustHecate · 15/03/2012 17:29

You'd better believe it, Bella. My sausage skills are famous. they're reported on all the public loo walls for miles

LeBOF · 15/03/2012 17:29

Rhubarb, I think you are missing the fact that this is at least the third, possibly the fourth thread the OP has started on exactly the same theme. There have been a further two from 'unknown' posters which some people, perhaps erroneously, feel were from the same source.

It IS boring. It is negative, it is draining to keep reading, and it is mostly false. And it has certainly made mumsnet feel like one big grudgewank all week.

gordyslovesheep · 15/03/2012 17:30

Look we where ALL NEW once - I still am - I have to say I have NEVER felt ignored, bullied or like an outsider here - not once

In life there will be people who like you and people who want to kick you in the chuff - same here

I find the ones most likely to shout 'clique' or 'Bully' tend to be the more reactionary, looking for a fight, slightly out fo their depth types rather than the 'If I ASK AIBU I will get honest answers and take them on the chin' people

also - yes, there are some total vile knobs BUT you get them on every forum/site - they tend to be trolls

BellaVita · 15/03/2012 17:31

Hecate Grin

Pagwatch · 15/03/2012 17:33

I hate the netmums bashing
I am apparently mn royalty
I have sausage
I also have banana

Can someone please tell me who I should be agreeing with?