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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

when I post about trying to bring an end to bullying on Mumsnet? Read this post and see for yourselves that I am not the only one.

527 replies

Mummle · 15/03/2012 14:56

Who?s brave enough to take on Mumsnet?
Posted on July 28, 2011
Picture this. A new kid at school enters the playground on her first day. ?TA-DA!? she shouts to a group of children playing together. ?I?M FINALLY HERE after much moaning by my parents and a lost school application, the school board have fast-tracked my application and I?m now officially a pupil here. What have I let myself in for??

The child continues, ?Some of you may already know me, in which case ?Hi?. Some of you may never have heard of me, in which case ?Hi? ? where the heck have you been for the past two years??

One of the children in the group sneers, ?I have no idea who you are. Sorry,? and turns away. ?Well it?s nice to meet you!? offers the new kid.

?Look, I?ve been here longer than you,? says the sneering child, ?and your entrance has got my back up.? Before long, more children get involved, slagging off the new kid, telling her that she?s broken the school?s ?unwritten rules? and even calling her a c*.

The scary thing is that while this scenario happened, just this week, it didn?t happen in a school playground. It took place on parenting forum Mumsnet. The ?new kid? was a mum who?d just joined the Mumsnet Bloggers Network, and while her original post on the forum was arguably ill-judged, the reaction from other forum users was gobsmacking.

Much has been written in the past about the nastiness lurking in the Mumsnet forums, yet it seems to be brushed under the carpet and generally accepted as ?one of those things?. The users of the forum adhere to the bizarre ?I can be as nasty and vicious as I like, as long as I?m being honest and say it to the person?s face? mentality. It?s an attitude that took flight during the ten seasons of reality TV show Big Brother, with housemates gaining a strange kudos for being nasty (but honest).

The Mumsnet forum users also regularly refer to the rival ?insipid? parenting forums (for insipid, read supportive and friendly) and tell people that if they can?t handle Mumsnet, to clear off elsewhere. Conjures up images of a school gang telling a fellow pupil that if they don?t like the name-calling, to leave that school and find another, doesn?t it?

The word ?bullying? is bandied about a lot these days. Often to the point that it devalues its meaning ? very frustrating for real victims of real bullying. But having dipped in and out of Mumsnet a few times in the last couple of years, I genuinely think the word applies to some of the goings-on there. It begs the question: how on earth are we supposed to stamp out the serious bullying problem we have in schools, if parents are behaving like this? Admittedly, they?re doing it while hiding behind the anonymity of an online forum, but they?re still typing those words, saying those vile things, making other women feel like crap.

So what are Mumsnet doing about this? Well, not much it seems. Mumsnet founder Justine Roberts explained it away, in a Daily Mail article, last year, saying, ?We don?t want to sound like schoolteachers looking over our spectacles, and we don?t do it publicly. If someone has made personal attacks, we may contact them off board and it?s amazing how often they?ll say, ?I?m so sorry ? yesterday was just one of those days?. Mothers often have a lot going on in their lives and they don?t always realise how their words may come across.?

Ah, so this behaviour is acceptable if they?ve had a bad day and apologise afterwards? Well, it doesn?t wash with me, and the whole scenario is even more worrying when you look at the apparent clout that Justine Roberts and Mumsnet have with David Cameron.

I?m putting a challenge out there. We need an intervention. Someone needs to stand up to the Mumsnet bullies and deal with them like we deal with the school bullies. Who?s brave enough to do it?

OP posts:
ScrambledSmegs · 15/03/2012 16:54

But obviously, if you do feel you are being bullied then report. There's no excuse for making people feel shit.

PeppermintPasty · 15/03/2012 16:55

Good point succinctly put Linden

loopylou6 · 15/03/2012 16:57

Hang on, that op was from July last year Confused

Hullygully · 15/03/2012 16:57

banana

OrmIrian · 15/03/2012 16:57

I really resent being called a bully. Sorry but I do. So I felt the urge to respond and mildly take the piss. That isn't bullying, nor do I think it's 'piling in'. I dare say ignoring the thread would have been the correct response. i think pisstaking is all that most people have done on here.

Hullygully · 15/03/2012 16:59

I think it's hilarious that Rhubs had a little crusade, some people went a bit shamefaced....

and then she said she hadn't even rtft Grin

bibbityisaporker · 15/03/2012 17:00

Loopy, if you read a bit more of the thread all will become clear.

rogersmellyonthetelly · 15/03/2012 17:00

Is this still going on? I was hoping that op would have fucked off to nm or whichever other forum suits her lovey Dovey vibes best by the time I got home.
Yes, mn can be a bit cruel sometimes, but so can life. I have only seen a few cases of real flaming and that has been when the oP has posted something terminally stupid in aibu or is obviously a troll.
On the whole mn is spectacularly entertaining, full of humour. Ok so there is the odd nasty response but there are nasty people in all walks of life, the personal attacks do get deleted pretty quickly.

TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 17:01

Hully Grin

TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 17:02

Oh right rogers - yes tell them to fucked off to Netmums.

We've just said that TELLING PEOPLE TO FUCK OFF TO NETMUMS IS AN INCREDIBLY STUPID THING TO SAY!

From an ex-Netmums editor.

rogersmellyonthetelly · 15/03/2012 17:06

I didn't tell her I merely expressed a hope that she had! She obv isn't happy here so why stay?

exoticfruits · 15/03/2012 17:08

There is intervention. You can complain and it will most likely be deleted. I would still like to know what happened to the 7yr old boy in a dress thread? I posted a comment yesterday morning and the whole thread had disappeared when I looked in the evening-I can only think that it turned nasty.
The main problem is on AIBU-the person posting clearly thinks they are not and can't take anyone saying differently. Yesterday there was a most unusual one where the person asked, everyone told her she was unreasonable and she said 'OK-I can see I am'-it is very rare for that to happen.
In the one that I saw Mummie on she was actually saying something completely different from everyone else and the sensible thing would have been just to agree to differ. I can't even remember what it was about now.
If people want help they generally get it and it can be very kind.

Stratters · 15/03/2012 17:09

Christ, that's a brave thing to admit to, Rhubs Shock

LindenAvery · 15/03/2012 17:09

Thanks Pep and I didn't even type bullshit..... Shit Blush

TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 17:09

"I was hoping that op would have fucked off to nm or whichever other forum suits her lovey Dovey vibes best"

What does that say about Netmums? Netmums is an incredibly useful forum with its own strong community. It's full of mums just like us, looking for support and advice and ok, it doesn't allow swearing and is much more heavily censored, but some people prefer it that way. It's stupid to use Netmums as a insult to throw about and you need to STOP IT RIGHT NOW.

Or I shall be resorted to swearing myself.

thebestisyettocome · 15/03/2012 17:10

Chaotic. Perhaps you don't think all people with mh issues are, as you put is 'mad' but I really think your post of 16.16.55 about sanity is way out of line.

Why don't all those people telling the OP to fuck off or being pisstaking or however you want to describe look carefully at what the OP has said and how she has behaved today. Obviously I don't want to be too explicit but imagine if a rl friend starting acting in such a way. I'd like to think that in that situation I wouldn't start laughing or getting angry at her, rather, I'd think there was a problem...

TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 17:11

Stratters, I am very proud of my time spent with Netmums and am proud of the way the site has gone. I don't appreciate it being used as an insult. The founders are great people and I owe that site quite a lot actually. Being editor gave me the skills I needed to get work.

DoomCatsofCognitiveDissonance · 15/03/2012 17:12

Amen to that, usual. Especially veiled references to posters 'flouncing', which the suspicious soul (such as myself) might believe was a passive-aggressive dig at people who've not flounced in the hope they see it and feel shite? Otherwise I'm not quite sure what the point of saying something so specific would be.

Goawaybob · 15/03/2012 17:12

Mummie, i dont think it is good for you to be here, you clearly don't get any support or fun so WHY are you here?

DoomCatsofCognitiveDissonance · 15/03/2012 17:13

Wow, this thread is fast. Sorry, doubt anyone cares but my last was agreeing with usual's point that it's nasty to make pointed-but-unnamed comments about specific posters.

rogersmellyonthetelly · 15/03/2012 17:13

Sorry rhubarb, I wasn't dissing netmums it's just that it is a much softer forum on the whole (although I do find some of the tickers a tad ott) and that seems to be what op is wanting.

Stratters · 15/03/2012 17:14

I was joking Rhubs, last time there was a NM/MH ruck I went there and tried to smooth things over. I've got nothing against NM, it's a bit twinkly for me, but they're no different really.

TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 17:16

That's ok Stratters and rogers, I shall take you both off my database of horrid posters Wink

Doom - sorry, you were saying something?

lesley33 · 15/03/2012 17:17

"OOOH, I was taking a little peek at some of the unkinder comments earlier on (to see if I had overeacted) and I saw that MN has deleted them, so they were vile."

Porca - Just read your comment above. Obviously I have no idea what comments you are talking about. But on one of the threads the OP started a whole load of threads were posts because some posters were saying another poster was a troll. I have no idea if that poster was a troll. But it actually had nothing to do with the OP at all.

And although accusations of trolls are against talk guidelines, the accusations were not put in a nasty way e.g. you ffing troll. More like I wonder if x is in fact a troll?

I agree some posters can be bullying and vile. But most are not.

TheRhubarb · 15/03/2012 17:18

What can you do with a sausage?