To think you should be able to sue your mum if you weren't breastfed

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and have suffered health consequences that could have been prevented by breastfeeding?

ledkr you'll love the blog (she's also on fb). She routinely dissects all the pomp, bullshit & dubious claims associated with breastmilk, e.g., it doesn't make your pfb fly and WHO not aimed at "the likes of us".

Anyone feeling bad about FF should be sent there to work through their grief and anger until they reach a point where they can laugh at it all. :)

5madthings have you considered suing your son for failure to breastfeed long enough? That'd teach him!

IM sure my 5 could think of far more pressing issues to sue me for

Showing them up often could be the first one. Rumbling their pathetic attempts to stay out at all night parties under the guise of "staying at a mates" could be another. Shouting a lot could be another. Oh the list is endless. Trouble is i dont have any money,i spent it all on them.

Alpine Id like to write for that site how do i do it?

There's a link to her gmail address on the top right of her blog, you can also get her on the fff Facebook page as she's on it almost daily. She's based in LA so don't expect a response just now!

do you think i could sue ds4 as well for the pnp and all the stress that caused, plus i had so much milk and too much of the prolactin hormone in my body that they thinkt hat caused the pnp, i had to have an emergency mri scan as they thought i may have a tumour on my pituitar gland, so the added stress as well of thinking i may have a tumour in my brain, coupled with pnp, i could make a fortune? except he is only 4 and his worldly good consist of far too much lego and thundercats toys....

What really annoys me is the idea that there are a list of "acceptable" reasons for not breast feeding. That somehow unless our physical or mental health is being severely damaged, we should martyr ourselves over every aspect of mothering. Sorry, but no thanks. I stopped bfing at 10 Weeks because I hated it. Hated the sensation, hated the amount of time it took, hated the leaky boobs and ugly nursing bras. I didn't have any physical problems doing it, but just because I'm a mother I'm supposed to put up and shut up about it because it's best for the baby? I love ds More than I thought humanly possible, but I didn't stop being a person when I became a mum.

I'm really struggling with the concept that we should be doing the best for our babies whatever the consequences. I guess that instead of choosing £120 car seats for ds which are Britax and come up to (and exceed in some ways) the safety laws, I should have spent £500 on a singing dancing isofix jobbie because it is the best.

I would just have told the other dcs that there was no food that month because I was doing the best for ds2. That'd have been fine, I'm sure.

I can't believe this is still rumbling on. Or that I'm still posting on it.

Hmmm and off the peg shoes tut tut tut-surely only measured and fitted Startrites are acceptable. Educational school trips surely parents should starve themselves to provide those.......

The list is endless.

Every single day we make decisions and every single day I know I personally make compromises. Bf is but one in a masseeeeeeve list of choices and compromises we make when parenting and raising an entire family as a whole and developing as a parent and an individual.

Hear hear

easilybored yesssss! I detested the sensation of bf, it made me feel physically revolted. We all talk about how we 'should', but never if we actually 'want' to. Can you imagine the uproar if it were suggested women should do bumsex against their will and if they didn't like it? It's my body!

issimma well I'm glad you've found it now! :) it helped me realise that there were many others out there struggling and it's also helped me articulate why I think it's all such a bunch of hooey. Welcome to the dark side! ;)

5madthings I believe it was Wallis Simpson who said "a woman can never be too thin, too rich or have too many thundercats toys. Shnarf.". Sue him!

also surprised this is still rumbling on....

so erm I can think of one reason that is NOT a valid reason for not attempting to BF....fear that your boobs will sag because of it...

It isn't valid because boob saggage is due to pregnancy not BF....although if you read a lot of MN you would be confused on that point...

So if there is no difference and BF is pointless as seems to be the general feel of this thread, will I be wasting my time training as a peer supporter?

I wonder how many members of Mensa were BF, and for how long.

The type of milk a baby is fed for the first year of it's life is just one out of a million factors that influence long term mental and physical health. Why on earth has this thread rumbled on for so long??

no-one says that bfeeding is pointless, just that it is not the be all and end all of everything, there are lots of other factors that influence the health and well being of a child and as your children grow up you realise just how small a factor bfeeding is in your overall parenting of them!

right so erm is it worth training to be a peer supporter or not?

and actually a lot of people on this thread HAVE said that there is no difference....

So what are the first time pregnant women reading this supposed to think?

Does it make a difference or doesnt it?

Is it worth having peer supporters or not?

people say lots of things, anecdote doesnt make fact, the facts show that statistically it is better for the baby to bfeed, but there are some many other factors that you cant account for, esp as they get older, so its worht looking at the bigger picture and that bigger picture included a MOTHER, who is a person on her own right and bfeeding when it affects her health, or even when she just DOESNT WANT to is NOT going to be a positive experience for a baby.

i am pro bfeeding, ihave over 9yrs of bfeeding experience and at times i loved it, ultimately tho i PRO CHOICE, a mum and baby are a partnership and needs to be seen as such, what works for one doesnt work for all, my babies were all very different with very different needs and the circumstances when i had them were all very different, hence my choices with dd (no 5) i had her siblings to think of as well.

peer supporters are great btw, but not if they are so evangelical that htey forget there are two people involved in a bfeeding relationship and both are equally important :)

ahhh so research that indicated that feeding method makes no difference to boob appearance is to be ignored if inconvenient then......okay.

I think (unlike the vaginal birth business) it makes perfect sense that BF makes no difference...after all the swelling up like a balloon happens long before birth...and sagging back down is inevitable. Why should what you do in between make any odds?

Yes it is worth it. BF is the BEST form of nutrition for a baby. However, it is not the only form and some people choose not to BF. A BF peer supporter is not going to do anything for those mothers.

However, some people want to BF and some of them who were unsuccessful would have been helped by proper support.

I do think that part of a peer supporter's role is to recognise when BF is making you or your baby ill in any way and sometimes to advocate the cessation of BF.

BM can make a difference, but I suspect that the benefits are sometimes a little overegged, in the same way that formula manufacturers overegg the similarities of their product to BM.

It is bound to be better as it's what we are designed to drink. It is not, however, going to prevent all allergies, make you fantastically intelligent, turn you into a successful entrepreneur or guarantee you're not going to ever get cancer.

The majority of us make our choices based on intelligent reasoning. It's a real shame that isn't respected by others and that every conversation about bf/ff turns into a bunfight.

entropygirl - good on you training to be a peer supporter. Some women who are really motivated to breastfeed don't get the help they need, at the right time.

TBH, I think saggy boobs comes pretty low down in the reasons people don't breastfeed, so I wouldn't focus too much on that one

hmmm see it is often the very same people who are saying it doesnt matter how you feed that are also saying how sad they are that they didnt get the right support while attempting to BF.

I think that is a pretty bad way to behave to be honest. These boards are open so anyone could be reading them......you shouldn't say it doesn't make a difference unless you really believe it doesn't (and even then if the evidence disagrees with you, you should probably note that). Propping up someone's self-esteem at the expense of someone else's right to make an informed choice just doesn't seem right to me.

button I know we have been here before, but I think the problem is that when you post on here you are talking to both people who have made their feeding decision (and there is NO point getting into feeding choices after they are made whatsoever) but also to people who have not yet made their decision who deserve to make an informed decision.

I agree the pros/cons are overegged. But if BF is worth trying (on average) then I think people should not post all over the shop that it doesn't make any difference.

"As regards wasting your time being a peer supporter then that all rather depends on what it is that you think being a peer supporter will achieve, doesnt it? If its helping women that want to bf then its hardly a waste of time- it its some fantasy of saving 100s of babies from a lifetime of athesma (sp?) plaged obesity then yes you probabally are"

I agree stillorsparkling

I think that if you have a real desire to help mothers then that's great. But if you are driven by revolutionary zeal then not so much