To think you should be able to sue your mum if you weren't breastfed

[Richocet]

and have suffered health consequences that could have been prevented by breastfeeding?

ricochet Do stop banging on about the same thing.Answer the questions or just admit you are a little stumped.
Nobody would disagree that breast milk is best but you simply cannot ignore the facts that some cant or dont.
As a female and the mother of 2 daughters i would far rather women continued to be able to make choices in their lives without reprisal especially from other women.
Do you seriously want to live in a world where we have no choices?
As for the babies choice that is a whole can of worms to open,we make the choices for our own babies,we dont actually need anyone else to make them for us.

Do you have DCs ricochet? If so I hope you realise that they do as you do and not as you say. If your relationship is so bad with your mother, you are in line for your DCs having a poor relationship with you.

Yes, I think its perfectly fair that a woman should choose to formula feed.

"What about the babies choice?"

Babies don't have a choice. Women do have a choice. Formula is an adequate alternative.

A couple of things:
Some women have always found it difficult to breast feed. The OP seems to hark back to a time when people were wiser and more in tune with their bodies and their babies' needs. The fact is often babies died, or were fed by a woman who could feed them more easily. I for one am glad there is an alternative.

The second thing is, that posts like the ones the OP is making in which she talks again and again andagainandagainandagainandagainandagain about making the best choice for her babies seem to me to be hinting that she actually loves her children more than someone who chooses to formula feed and thereby, by her standards, is choosing second best for their child. Now I know she will vigorously deny this, and will be offended by the implication. But why else would she keep going on about it? It certainly can't be that she thinks people aren't getting the message that technically, breastmilk is better than formula. Everyone gets that. Everyone knows. The information is out there. So why keep going on about it? She also knows that she is not persuading people - not one person has said "You know what? You're right! I was was wrong. I will BF from now on. Thank you for pointing out the benefits and the error of my ways."

I know you may be outraged by this, OP. But you have outraged many on this thread and you don't seem to mind.

It is better for the baby to be FF by a happy mum than BF by a depressed, grumpy, sleep deprived, exhausted mum.

Just seen in the news some study appears to show demand fed babies grow up to be cleverer and higher achievers than routine fed babies

Whole new world of litigation opportunities there for you........... :)

Naturalbaby no it isn't.

Oh well that sorts it then

cherrypi Howabout you explain yourself and not just post and run? I will argue that point with you all night since i work almost exclusively with young people with attachment issues many who were the children of depressed and anxious mothers.

Sue my dh and mil in that case.

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pmsl!

Booby Bolshevik?

Mammary Maoist.
Lactation Leninist.

I'm sure mental health issues in a mother would effect a child. I read depressed in the context of grumpy as the more casual use of the word in which case the health benefits of breastmilk would outweigh a tired, grumpy mother surely? Also don't think there's much difference in sleep lost for either method and breastfeeding hormones generally cheer you up don't they?

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Cherrypi

Some people feel absolutely miserable about breastfeeding, so much so that if they were to continue it would start to affect their mental health.

I don't know about the sleep issue. If you are bottle feeding, then of course someone else can do night feeds, and other feeds as well, so you'd think there was more potential for sleep ther, but I'm not sure how many bfeeders either express for night feeds or ff at night

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I haven't read anything about the relationship between mental health and breastfeeding but I imagine it's hard to unpick from the many factors that a new mum faces.

Breastfeeding doesn't involve you fully getting up so I think the feeding time is shorter and it is easier to get back to sleep though if course getting someone else to do the feed for you and sleeping through it would mean you get more sleep that night.

Oh for goodness sake op troll off.

Do you actually read posts other than your own.

People have continually said breast is best-but so are many other foods and life style choices in a far greater amount than the comparison between bm and f.

Your whole thread is utter barking.

Every day I make food choices for the dc and every day I give foods at some point that are in no way near as good as foods I could give.

I let my dd have a burger today on the way home from a family get together.I could have prepared a far better home made meal and given that to the dc on the way home but convenience and time won.

Given the headlines re red meat seriously my dd will have far more reason to sue over that than formula ditto the odd bit of sugar,fat and processed food she has.

We lead a fairly active lifestyle however I don't force my dc into umpteen sports activities several parents do in order to create future healthy adults.

Honestly you think I should actually worry more about 6 very short months of formula than how much exercise and healthy food I provide.

Raising a healthy adult is a marathon not a sprint.I have 18 years to perfect the job and I've done pretty damn good so far.

I have 3 active kids living in a rural area enjoying biking,swimming,hiking,getting masses of fresh air and eating a balanced diet low in red meat,fat,sugar and crap with a fair amount of fruit and veg. They have limited screen time, read masses and I continuously sacrifice money on myself for educational activities,books and music lessons for them. They have zero fillings and are all doing very,very well at school.

Pray do tell why they'll be focusing on and suing for the 6 months of formula they had -due to me thinking bfing was nigh on the most hideous bit of parenting to date I've experienced(I have twins and believe me bfing twins aint a picnic) rather than celebrating all the other wonderful things I have provided.

mrsheffley can i come and live with you please and be your 44yr old child

cherrypi Unless one lives in a mansion it is very hard to sleep through a baby waking for a feed regardless of who gets up to do it,i digress though.

I dont think this is anything to do with sleep its about women having choices as to how they feed their babies without being judged by people who have presumably managed to bf sucessfully thus have little understanding of the issues.

chocoraisin I will have a look at that blog,it sounds refreshing. Instesd of being sanctamonious maybe effort would be better directed at supporting women to ff in the best way. I have had a mastectomy so it wasnt a choice for me and i found it almost taboo for professionals to advise me about it.The right type of formula,how to sterilise and make up feeds and the best way to feed the baby.The importance of still holding them close and making eye contact too. I was sad i couldnt feed her but made the most of things as they were and she is now 13 months,yet to have so much as a snuffle and breezed through her cleft palate op a few months ago,my bond with her is amazing as is my dh's because he was able to feed her too,my other dd has not experienced any jealousy because i have been able to continue to spend time with her as well.
Just some of the positive things i have experienced,but I wouldnt suggest people were wrong to bf.

The babies choice

I think that you find that babies don't give a flying fuck how they are fed, as long as they have milk in their tummies!

Not sure but I suspect you'll all say ok to sue if your been circumcised as a baby. I don't see a big difference. The parents did what they thought right at the time.

Richocet Sun 18-Mar-12 18:15:22
"I've answered"

If you mean to my post (where I explained why I didn't pump) I'm afraid I can't find your answer: could you direct me to it?

well ds1 was bfed for 18mths is he still allowed to sue as i didnt get to the magical 2yrs recomended by the WHO (he self weaned)

ds2 bfed till he was almsot 4 yrs old, so he cant sue, unless he thinks he fed too long and has issues because of that.

ds3 same as ds2.

ds4 fed for 3-4mths and then i got pnp and ended up in a psych unit, oddly enough getting well and sorting my mental health was more important to ALL my children than bfeeding.

dd again i fed for a few months but she was a crap bfeeding and i had had enough and had 4 other children to look after, again my mental healthy and the need to care for ALL my children was priority.

as my children have got older i have realised how little of an issue bfeeding/ff feeding is, there are far more important things that make a difference to them and the type of adult they will become.