to really not identify with the feminist boards on here, when i always thought I was a feminist

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seems so joyless and anti sex.

I feel very conflicted now. I always thought feminism was about equality for women, which I dont believe we have, but it seems to re\lly be focusing on the wrong issues for me, and getting too much into dynamics of personal relationships, and peoples sexual preferences

im probably being unreasonable

Norma and SGM that's some nasty stuff.

Did anyone see that new story about the hacker who got people's personal details from BPAS and threatened to make them public. That people do that sort of thing is really frightening.

Story here

Who is being accused here of the poison emails, because at the moment every vocal member of FWR has this hanging over them.

This naming no names shit was done to me before, and it's extremely nasty to be on the receiving end of. I'd call it bullying.

at that NormaStanleyFletcher. Does swc know?

I once went through all my posts on MN that gave any indication of where I lived and got them all deleted - it was of course after some trolling and threats made to the feminists in the FWR (especially the radical feminists).

Which is why these threads bother me so much - they feel like a platform for harassment (even if that is not the intention of the thread in the beginning).

On the last feminist bashing thread I was attacked and insulted by a poster who I imagine to be a troll. These threads feed that sort of behaviour.

Countess I'm sorry if you have been upset - my post was a 100% genuine welcome to the board.

Plumpdog what is your point?

What are you actually saying?

You need to be a bit clearer about what you are accusing someone of, if you want to accuse them of something.

Unspecific references to being brainwashed by patriarchy or being misogynist, are just very nebulous.

I'm concerned some of my posts sound a bit flippant. I'm just really horrified by this stuff (abusive pms, people being stalked offsite) and possibly not posting too coherently.

ISWYM, Beachcomber, but what you seem to be saying is that you carry over your (very reasonable) cautiousness about trolls to these threads. Which ends up amounting to paranoia and (disproportionate?) defensiveness. (Sorry I can't find a more tactful way to say that right now.)
Which is what I suspect many regular FWR posters do.
But if the threads started by a poster with a genuine 'grievance' (inappropriate word? I don't think so...) then it's not really helpful if they're treated as a stupid MRA troll. Which sometimes seems to be what happens.

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Beachcomber I don't have time right now to trawl through old MN threads to find examples of this. (Though that said, referring to MNers who have said they feel excluded from FWR boards as 'usual suspects' gets close to what I'm talking about.)
Where I've wanted to 'accuse' an individual poster of something, I've generally done it within that thread.

Been pondering this a little more. I do think that a few individuals get singled out as representatives of the FWR and commented on quite vociferously (usually by allusion, as can be seen on here) and that isn't really on. Also, though, there are other posters who post sporadically, for a short time or under a name change and are pretty bolshy and then their posts also become representative. Which isn't on, either.

Or, you get people who leap in, post something about "but men get raped too" on a thread about rape convictions or "but male facial hair is just as unacceptable as women's leg hair" on an analysis of women's beauty practices or "but you think that women who wear short skirts are asking to be raped" on a thread like this and wonder why they don't quite get the response they were expecting.

It's all a muddle. Just post, people. Be the change you wish to see and all that.

But plump, do you really think that the OP calling the posters on the FWR joyless and anti-sex is just fine?

That's just A-OK? It seems so hypocritical to me - if its not ok for the FWR to be "hostile" or whatever the accusations are, then why is it ok to be that way about the FWR?

And, I think this kind of thread pops up around the times when FWR board has had an invasion of one kind of another. FWR posters are probably a little more brusque around that time which triggers others to start a post like this if they have had a niggle for a while.

Oh, and dittany didn't get banned. She flounced.

Not said anything on this so far as I have felt myself to be bullied for offering other views from those that seem to be the mainstream, for example I was trying to introduce a diffrent point for consideration in to a thread about sex work. I found that people would not take the time to read my last posts or were choosing to only pick on bits of my post and not address the whole as it were.

I also think that what is radicle feminist on here would be different if more black and ethnic women, or more women from different geographicle location in the southern hemisphere were regular posters.

"I found that people would not take the time to read my last posts or were choosing to only pick on bits of my post and not address the whole as it were" SNAP! And I bet I'm not the only one. So, where does that leave us?

I do agree that the FWR board has a white western outlook, although rather less so than the rest of MN. So why pick on the FWR board?

Could you link us to the thread so we can see what you're complaining about NTFS?

Aye - because this thread's about FWR? And because the poster indicated she's a radical feminist? See, that presumption of 'picking on' is damaging. Perhaps understandable, but still damaging.

No plumpdog I'm not saying that.

I'm saying these threads are often used as a platform for trolls/MRAs or people who wish feminists to STFU. That doesn't appear to have happened to this thread yet.

And I am neither paranoid nor defensive. I'm pissed off by the feminist bashing and slagging off of posters that is tolerated on MN.

Listen, you try getting stalked by men who think they have the right to beat up women, who spout hate-speak against us and who think men like Raoul Mote are hereos and then call us paranoid.

Mind you I get people picking parts of my posts and not looking at the whole of them. It has nothing to do with the FWR board NTFS. I've also had people completely lying about my positions in order to try to win an argument too. Things don't always go your way on the internet.

I think people just don't like it that the mainstream view doesn't prevail on FWR. I think the criticisms are political. People do question porn and prostitution, rape myths are challenged, inequality is examined. That makes some people uncomfortable.

OK, not pick on. Single out? I don't understand why FWR should be held to a higher standard than MN as a whole, that's all. It would all be different if the demographic were different. Though radical feminism is radical feminism, I think. The feminisms discussed would certainly be different and I know that white privilege among feminists is a hotly discussed topic, thankfully.

The feminist boards question orthodoxy. People defending the status quo there are defending nothing.

"It's 90% a therapeutic community/cult and will always revert to that under pressure - not a place where it's possible to engage in a reasoned discussion."

That's just insulting.