to really not identify with the feminist boards on here, when i always thought I was a feminist

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seems so joyless and anti sex.

I feel very conflicted now. I always thought feminism was about equality for women, which I dont believe we have, but it seems to re\lly be focusing on the wrong issues for me, and getting too much into dynamics of personal relationships, and peoples sexual preferences

im probably being unreasonable

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Marking place

And another thing has just occurred to me - people could be put off posting in the FWR section if they think they are at risk for receiving hate mail .

That's true Beachcomber. Bloody hell. I'm actually uneasy at the idea that there are people who would do that. It's really nasty.

I love the FWR boards and find them very interesting, even though I don't look like your typical feminist.

Very to hear about the poster who was hounded off. I loved her posts.

When people bring up the "safe space" thing, it wasn't because we're a bunch of precious wimmin, but because we were being excessively trolled.

What does a typical feminist look like?

There are people like that in every walk of life though, FWR won't be an exception.
Odd that you are unsettled by it, anyone can be an abusive personality as well you all know.
Sometimes people do it to be actively vile, and sometimes because the passion for their argument and wish to dominate and persuade and convert overwhelms them and they pass beyond the boundaries of acceptable behaviour.
I hope you did report them garlic, because unchallenged they will not stop.

I think I will say what I want to.

I don't know whether I gave the wrong impression.I didn't say that I expected the language used to be simplified.I pointed out that I don't visit the feminist boards because at times I don't understand the language used.I felt as if this was being taken that I was complaining that the board is over-intellectual.

I was pointing out my personal statement of fact.I thought the thread was about people not identifying with the feminist boards and this does mean I find it hard to identify.I do understand the concepts, having first started my involvement with womens groups the best part of 30 years ago,but I feel my lack of education in understanding the language used has been taken as a lack of understanding of the complex issues and concepts involved.

I appreciate now that the board is a place for intellectual discussion.

Here I shall bow out.

I got a mad PM once, I just fucked him out of it.

It didn't occur to me to report actually, I don't know why. |I think because he was an obvious MRA troll and I trusted that he'd be banned pretty soon.

He's prob back under a different name now, they come back with such dreary regularity.

And they start threads saying how horrible feminists are and the usual suspects line up to support them, little realising that MRA's despise them just as much as they despise us.

Oh well.

I don't think the board is always a place for intellectual discussion. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Depends what way the thread wends and who is participating.

the usual suspects, Basil?

I'm a feminist. No idea what kind of feminist. i just popped over to the Feminists (I do so every month or so and fully admit this means I'm not over familiar with the boards) and, for me, the very fact that posters are all feminists on there means debate and discussion is not as broad and interesting as it is on AIBU.

There are threads about outrageous media reports for example, that are outrageous, but obviously every poster is..well...outraged. I prefer to have different views that can then be challenged. Like on relationships - it's quite strident but there are a great many different views.

I have learned so much about DV and sexual politics and become more of a feminist since being on there. I used to think some advice was OTT and there was too much shouts of 'abuser!' but I have seen time and time again that many of those posters were spot on.

I think it is GREAT to discuss feminists and feminism on AIBU which attracts the most traffic.

Beachcomber - the recent invaders have been searching the back story of some posters, swc I think has been posted about with the county she lives in on their FB. God only knows what they are doing on their closed 20 quid forum.

Countess I didn't get the impression that you were complaining. I just took it as a statement of fact about how you feel. And I agree - some of the discussions are wordy and quite intellectual. Not all though and I think there is a general agreement that feminism is a grass roots movement - exactly what you are doing in your involvement with the movement.

I didn't mean to patronise you or suggest that you don't understand the underlying concepts. I was just trying to be welcoming.

Which is why I mentioned a regular we used to have who had had very little formal education. Her feminist analysis was brilliant but she didn't intellectualise. She was very respected and listened to (and she is missed).

Apologies if I offended you somehow.

Norma - that is horrible.

Yes plumpdogmillionaire.

You know, like those nasty bully-girl feminists people post about.

If people can refer to a group of feminists without naming them, I can refer to a group of people who are always up for slagging off feminists without naming them.

That seems nice and fair and equal to me. And after all, we're all in favour of equality aren't we.

After all, that's what I thought feminism was all about. The right for all of us to slag each other off while men laugh at us and continue to rule the world.

Jesus Norma.

Not good, that bunch of scary loons.

Proudnscary - yes, generally FWR poters are feminists (give or take the odd MRA troll), but perhaps the reason that everyone seems to have the same viewpoint is that other MNers (who are almost certainly feminists too..) don't post is that they don't want to be banging their heads against a bloody brick wall.
It does happen that there are a few very obtuse posters on there - and it's quite off putting.
I can't help thinking that those who refuse to acknowledge this are being quite disingenuous, and I agree with whoever identified this as a form of silencing and minimising.

I avoid the feminist section of mumsnet. Many of the prolific posters frighten the shit out of me. Talk about radical.

Lol, catgirl! Let me know when you find out what a feminist looks like!

Look, everybody, I'm sorry I mentioned that now. I was trying to illustrate how a sense of embattlement is evident at times in FWR, which can lead to disproportionately aggressive responses. Not only in FWR, of course, but that's the board we're talking about. I really didn't intend to imply anything sinister, nor to make it All About Me!

Sorry again. Am trying to get some rest now, so switching off phone.

"Odd that you are unsettled by it, anyone can be an abusive personality as well you all know".

Yes that's true, sitting behind a keyboard does strange things to people sometimes. Still find it icky though.

But plumpdog we have acknowledged it - we have agreed that the FWR section is just like the rest of MN. Mostly fine but with the odd bit of unwarranted unpleasantness.

Thank you Beachcomber. I was quite upset,but I do accept your apologies and I do appreciate that there hasn't been a deliberate conspiracy to upset me..

Don't worry about bringing it up garlic - but can you report them? It is really making me uncomfortable if they're still about and I would like anyone who does that to get banned (or, as I would put money on, confirmed as trolls who have already been banned for other things).

It's horrible thinking about people targeting posters with abusive PMs and some pretty vulnerable posters use that section.