To think that if someone elderly gets on a busy bus...

[NotaStatistic]

...they should not expect a seat?!?

I would of course give up a seat for someone elderly or less able than me but should they think they're entitled to a seat just because they're old especially if they get on bus which already has people standing?!?

Your views please

No DeWe Im not saying that just that if you choose to get on an overcrowded bus you dont moan about standing when all the seats are already occupied by elderly passengers.

Absolutly Helenfellows I just dont like outright rude people.

OP- do you get the same bus as I do occasionally. The first bus after 9.30 to nearby city. Its mess. College kids going into city from teh start of teh route, pay for tickets and start out with a seat. gradually the bus fills up with a mix of kids and older people and a few in the middle going into city for errands, maybe a parent with baby or toddler and pushchair, maybe me with a large backpack on my lap. THEN it gets to a park home village.

Another 20 older people get on, they all expect a seat. The college kids all stand. This bus has capacity for 18 satndees- There are not enough seats. The bus is full to capacity( sometimes over full) EVERY one of these new passengers wants onto the bus. Then I hear older passengers - WHO HAVE BEEN GIVEN A SEAT- grumbling about how full the bus is. and NOT THANKING any of the kids for standing . Well excuse me, but that's just rude. Age is no excuse for not thanking someone for giving up their seat.

IMHO if the bus is full its full, the driver is risking their licence and passenger safety if they carry over capacity. and if that means people have to wait for the next bus in an hours time OR call a taxi, well, yes, they will have to wait.

Ffs op, what is it with you and buses?!

WorraLiberty "And what are the chances of a bus being packed to standing room only capacity with nothing but OAP's?"

That's the one that runs just after 9.30am

OP YABU Elderly people need to sit for many reasons. If you're young and fit then you should stand for the simple reason that they need it more.

My buses can be similar to that UniS and I agree if when given a seat a minority wont say thank you.
In the case you described its totally unreasonable to expect a seat.

I agree and do stand for those in greater need then me I never said I didnt.
Trust me when the bus route goes to the retirenment living it can be full to capacity with OAPS easily

Clearly, anyone with an ounce of thought knows that an older person is more likely to need a seat than a young able-bodied person. So, OP, I'm not sure what your point is. Have you offered a seat to an older person who's just sat down without thanking you? Or have you seen older people complaining about having to stand, even if some of the people sitting also look as if they'd find it hard to stand (e.g. if they are also older, or have crutches)?

Btw, my bus route in to town includes a stop at the local hospital, so there are often older people on the bus before 9am.

Both Princess. Ive seen people not say thank you to those who give up a seat and those who moan when those sitting also may find standing difficult.

I have given up my seat on the tube numerous times for the pregnant/elderly/on crutches etc and have always had a thank you, as have all the people I've ever witnessed giving up their seats. I'm therefore very at the idea of someone being put off the idea of giving up their seat because they aren't sure they will get a thank you.

I didnt say people are 'put off' giving up their seat just thats its rude not to thank somone for doing so.

Oh and OP you refer to those "in greater need" of a seat than you. On what basis do you need a seat at all?

I have a back condition which flares up on occasion making standing incredible painful. Also im pregnant but that wouldnt stop me giving up a seat.

Oh you again notastatistic

As a personal morality thing I would never not offer someone elderly my seat if I could offer mine. I always did it, is a basic manners thing.

Oh, was too slow to post.

Well, OP, if all the seats on the bus are occupied by older people, then clearly if other older people get on, some older people will have to stand.

Not sure how the business of 'who needs the seat more' can then be worked out, unless we adopt DeWe's scientific method.

I know sancti and I do but its also manners to thank those who stand for you.

Well yes

And I always have been thanked

BUT

My own show of manners is my responsibility; their own is theirs. These are separate entities, I should live up to what I expect of myself and not allow their lack of manners to impinge on that.

It would be nice if everyone would be prepared to give up their seats to anyone who needed that seat more than they did, so for a mother with a baby/ young child, a pregnant lady, a disabled person or an elderly person. I have more of a problem with elderly people who think they have the right to go first in a supermarket queue! lol

Too slow again. OP, some people (older people included) are just rude. Don't let that stop you doing the right thing, though - offer your seat if you feel able to stand, but don't do so if you are in pain/would find it difficult to stand yourself.

Fair enough OP. I would give up my seat for you then

Like I said I always offer my seat.

Debsbear The queue jumping is worse I agree.

Thank you PandaWatch but I wouldnt expect you to.

Notastatistic, if you have a back complaint and are pregnant, of course you shouldn't leap up.

If you are fit, healthy and younger, you should.

It's not even a need-based thing, as others have said, it's basic manners and courtesy. It's not like being old in this country has many advantages, really.

Or the "do you mind if I go through first? I've only got a couple of twenty items". But that's not just elderly people!

True people barge all the time whether its bus queues or shopping queues.