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to think the tax credits system is not designed to support people that have as many children as they fancy and expect the state to pick up the tab?

350 replies

LadyLazyLongLegs · 05/03/2012 21:24

An acquaintance has just announced she is pregnant with her fifth child. Her 4 children are by 2 separate fathers, and #5 is by a different father again. Her partner has a job in which he is unlikely to earn much more than the minimum wage. She doesn't work, and says they are heavily reliant on tax credits and housing benefit. Yet they are having baby #5, so effectively expecting that the tax credits system will just pick up the tab, as she has made several comments about how the tax credits will go up when #5 arrives.

Someone else I know who also says they are heavily reliant on TCs has recently had baby#3 and would like baby#4 in the near future. Again she says they can afford it as their tax credits will go up. The only working income coming into their home is that from her husband's 16 hours a week job in a shop, everything else is benefits.

What I'm trying to say is, those of us that support ourselves with no reliance on benefits have a cut off point of children that we can afford and we stop at that point. We stuck at 3 as that's all we can afford even though I would have liked one more. I feel that those that keep having child after child, totally reliant on tax credits, are abusing the system.

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Pornyissue · 05/03/2012 22:09

Hmm graham actually I think what pisses people off is they work and work and work, and find people on benefits are Infact more fortunate than themselves

So anyone on benefits getting more disposable income than the average working family is also lacking sympathy if they cannot see why this would frustrate that family

LeBeauReve · 05/03/2012 22:09

LiamsMummyJaz thanks, I assume that is household income not individual?

BrainLikeASieve · 05/03/2012 22:09

I'd like to hear more about this goat

MissVerinder · 05/03/2012 22:09

1272.51 entitlement from the 5th March to the 5th April this year for 4 children aged between 1 and 11, partner working 16 hours a week at £8 an hour (not sure of minumum wage).

I don't know what the CHIB/CT/HB would be nowadays though, and not sure about the earnings after tax.

LiamsMummyJaz · 05/03/2012 22:10

birds I know. It just gets to me sometimes. Even though there is no answer! It's a lose lose situation Sad

Honeydragon · 05/03/2012 22:10

You either post CTC bad idea to go to people with lots of children because .....logical reason for te common god

Or I'd really like another baby and bitterly resent my friends who do so

The problem is't CTC per se, f people are entitled to it they work it into their financial equation.

Like others have said. What do YOU propose. Making snarky comments about who may or may not be claim CTC on this thread is is is is is complete Arseweaselry, that's what it is!

do you actual blame this woman here before you, for your choice do stop procreating? For claiming a benefit she is entitled to for the audacity not to be a above average age.

ClothesOfSand · 05/03/2012 22:10

I've had a go at the online calculator. A family with a wage of 10,000 with 4 children would get CTC + CTB + CB, which is 17,051.09. How is that equivalent to a £40,000 salary, particularly as a family with four children on £40,000 would still get £3168 in CB anyway?

Synyster · 05/03/2012 22:12

did someone start another cat shit thread? I really need help on that subject

MissVerinder · 05/03/2012 22:12

Wow, HMRC must be getting some web based traffic tonight!

MagdaMagyarMadam · 05/03/2012 22:12

Not trollhunting - just asking a perfectly reasonable question I think. Sorry if I hit a nerve or something. The predicable inflammatory opening post made me smile as it reminded me of so many laughs I had last year.

LiamsMummyJaz · 05/03/2012 22:12

LeBeau no this is each person. This is why the government fooked up last year. If say a man went to work and the woman stayed at home, if he got £45k+ then they wouldn't get tax credits but it both man and women went to work and both earned £40k they still would Confused

LiamsMummyJaz · 05/03/2012 22:13

(£40k each that is)
I think that's right. Don't quote me though!

GrahamTribe · 05/03/2012 22:13

Ah, bollocks to this. I pay my taxes, I want a goat! A big one. With horns. Which doesn't eat any-fucking-thing it sees in front of it.

Honeydragon · 05/03/2012 22:14

earning above average wage damnit

Tryharder · 05/03/2012 22:14

The acquaintance in your OP is mad in my opinion for even contemplating a 5th child [shudders]. I actually sort of agree in principle with you but guess she would be claiming housing benefit even if she didn't have the 5th child.

When all said and done, the man is working and it's not his fault really that minimum wage is not a living wage.

In the end, OP, if you want a 4th child, have one. Children can share bedrooms, wear second hand clothes etc - it doesn't have to cost a lot.

MissVerinder · 05/03/2012 22:14

Graham I have half a whoopie pie going begging..Just couldn't finish it.

LadyLazyLongLegs · 05/03/2012 22:15

Yearly take home pay for a 40,000 salary is about £29,500, so added to £3168 in total is £32,668. £10,000 wage + £17,051 = over 27k per year so not that far out really, certainly nowhere near as far out as has been suggested on here. Chances are the family on high tax credits will get free school meals, free dental treatment and free prescriptions too. It really isn't that different an amount.

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GrahamTribe · 05/03/2012 22:15

Can I start a goat shit thread?

LiamsMummyJaz · 05/03/2012 22:15

Could I have a goat?

(where does the goat thing come from btw?)

LadyLazyLongLegs · 05/03/2012 22:16

I think you're being unfair Magda in trying to say who I am or out me so to speak when really you don't have a clue.

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petitema · 05/03/2012 22:17

I don't understand why it is ok for you to have 3 then OP? Confused

Alibabaandthe40nappies · 05/03/2012 22:17

LiamsMummy that is incorrect, TCs are calculated on household income.

ClothesOfSand · 05/03/2012 22:17

So if the amounts are pretty similar, how is it that people claim they cannot afford to have 4 children? Is there some band of people who earn under £40,000 but don't get any other benefits or tax credits?

LadyLazyLongLegs · 05/03/2012 22:17

Well we're not relying on the state to raise them for starters petitema

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Alibabaandthe40nappies · 05/03/2012 22:17

You are thinking of child benefit.

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