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to think the tax credits system is not designed to support people that have as many children as they fancy and expect the state to pick up the tab?

350 replies

LadyLazyLongLegs · 05/03/2012 21:24

An acquaintance has just announced she is pregnant with her fifth child. Her 4 children are by 2 separate fathers, and #5 is by a different father again. Her partner has a job in which he is unlikely to earn much more than the minimum wage. She doesn't work, and says they are heavily reliant on tax credits and housing benefit. Yet they are having baby #5, so effectively expecting that the tax credits system will just pick up the tab, as she has made several comments about how the tax credits will go up when #5 arrives.

Someone else I know who also says they are heavily reliant on TCs has recently had baby#3 and would like baby#4 in the near future. Again she says they can afford it as their tax credits will go up. The only working income coming into their home is that from her husband's 16 hours a week job in a shop, everything else is benefits.

What I'm trying to say is, those of us that support ourselves with no reliance on benefits have a cut off point of children that we can afford and we stop at that point. We stuck at 3 as that's all we can afford even though I would have liked one more. I feel that those that keep having child after child, totally reliant on tax credits, are abusing the system.

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Birdsgottafly · 05/03/2012 21:58

Wiggle- probably the loss of income, whilst pregnant, childcare, feeding, clothing, extra person on trips out, perhaps?

LadyLazyLongLegs · 05/03/2012 21:59

Thank you LiamsMummyJaz. At last someone who understands what I am trying to get across!

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LiamsMummyJaz · 05/03/2012 21:59

*rely

MissVerinder · 05/03/2012 22:00

Clothes They've got an online calculator you can use to see how many children you have to have to get a goat what you might be entitled to.

LiamsMummyJaz · 05/03/2012 22:00

I live smack bang in the middle of a council estate with some amazing people. And some complete benefit scrounges who use there children as there only way to buy fags and booze!

Birdsgottafly · 05/03/2012 22:00

Miss- i didn't mean that patronising, it's obvious, though, that the OP, isn't engaging her brain.

Honeydragon · 05/03/2012 22:00

Are you sure you're on the right forum?

LiamsMummyJaz · 05/03/2012 22:01

God this phone is shocking !! *scroungers!

Synyster · 05/03/2012 22:01

"Oh and honeydragon can you post a link to the netmums rule that says all threads on here must be for the common good? Most threads are about the personal situation of someone or other are they not?"

op this is not netmums, no tickers

LadyBeagleEyes · 05/03/2012 22:01

I doubt Honeydragon could tell you the netmums rule, this being Mumsnet OP.

LiamsMummyJaz · 05/03/2012 22:02

ladylong I see it every day Sad

aviatrix · 05/03/2012 22:02

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DamnBamboo · 05/03/2012 22:02

I'm gonna start a cat-shit thread.

Just watch...

LiamsMummyJaz · 05/03/2012 22:04

avitrix if the money wasn't there they wouldn't have the children...

LeBeauReve · 05/03/2012 22:04

What is the cut off salary for being able to claim working tax credits? Honest question. I have never even looked into claiming any as I just assumed I wasn't entitled to any. Are you still able to claim if you are working full time?

GrahamTribe · 05/03/2012 22:05

Honeydragon can post a link to Netmums, I'm sure, but that won't help you any. This is Mumsnet, LadyLazyLongLegs.

Back to the OP, what concerns me isn't the number of children had by those who are on benefits but the number of children born to those on good incomes who are totally lacking in empathy and understanding of those who are not as fortunate as themselves. Financially at least.

LiamsMummyJaz · 05/03/2012 22:06

I think it's £45,000

MagdaMagyarMadam · 05/03/2012 22:06

You seem familiar OP - are you any relation to LongFingerNails - of the blue variety?

Synyster · 05/03/2012 22:06

DamnBamboo I thought this was cat shit thread

LadyLazyLongLegs · 05/03/2012 22:06

trollhunting isn't allowed on here Magda

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banditqueen · 05/03/2012 22:07

OP it is none of your fucking business how many children other people have or how much tax credits they get. It is not your fucking money. They are not your children. Presumably you voted in this cunt ToryLib Dem monster, so if you think they are being too generous and soft on all the scrounging scum of the earth claimants, why not vote for someone more rightwing next time? EDL or BNP might be able to oblige.

LiamsMummyJaz · 05/03/2012 22:07

I take it cat shit threads are good? Grin

(I'm still a newbie!)

Birdsgottafly · 05/03/2012 22:08

Le- it depends on personal circumstances, you can get it if you work full time but have a low income.

Liams- the most irresponsible would still have children, they don't think things out that logically.

Morloth · 05/03/2012 22:08

It doesn't matter whether we think it is appropriate or not, short of forced sterilization or watching children go hungry (neither of which I am willing to agree to) there is nothing that can be done.

So here is what I do OP, I mind my own business. I have two children we can comfortably support, another would affect that comfort level so we probably wont have one. What other people choose to do has no bearing on my decisions.

LiamsMummyJaz · 05/03/2012 22:08

bandit I think it is if they have never worked a tap in there life and the OP is paying taxes to bring up there children

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