to NOT want a cleaner?

[OrkaLiely]

it seems to be very common on MN; paying another person to clean your house. Why can't the adults in the house do it between them? And once the kids are old enough to hold a duste,r teach them to help out as well.

I'd hate someone else in our house cleaning up our mess. It sends a bad message to children too. And no-one in this age of dishwashers, washing machines, vacuum cleaners is too busy to do it themselves.

Novice you know you can have wine and BF?

Cheers! If I include my Naked Wine monthly payments and the farm shop food then we probably do spend closer to £100 per week. I have it all on MS Money on the PC split out into various categories

'LeQueen - you spend your days cleaning up other people's spit in a dental surgery. Stay at home and clean your own house instead.'

Really, OP? Seriously?

I dont mind cleaning but oh how I would love to have someone do it for me, I really, really would.

LeQueen - this is a perfect post from you... And spot on!

LeQueen wrote:

"LeQueen - you spend your days cleaning up other people's spit in a dental surgery. Stay at home and clean your own house instead."

Orla you know, technically I should take personal umbrage at this...but I find that I really can't. It would be like taking personal umbrage at a tantruming 3 year old...and, as we all know, the tantruming 3 year old behaves thus, because they are, as yet, unable to form a coherent argument and have very limited reasoning/logic abilities...

Oh, hang on, wait..

.........

That was... Just perfect!

The op just cannot see that we are laughing at her... The poor love really thinks we are riled. Just goes to show how delusional and quite thick sine people are...

LeQ you said you have a cleaner because you have 2 jobs. Doesn't make sense to go out to work mopping up spit so that you can pay someone else to clean your home. But if it makes you happy ...

I have 2 jobs, I enjoy both of them, for different reasons. Way more than I enjoy cleaning. How would it make sense for me to give one up so I can spend more time doing something I don't enjoy?

LeQ if you could pop round to give us all a quick scale and polish - we'll crack open the wine later. It's about £30 each, takes about 20 minutes so £120 for the four of us. Should fund about 12 hours of cleaning.

Can you do the sums OP? If your oven talks to you or listens to you I'm glad it gives you a sense of self worth. I went back to work when dd started school because I needed a teeny tiny bit more intellectual stimulation than that provided by spray on Flash and a dishcloth.

Ali, I haven't really drank as a couple of times dc2 was sick after I drank so couldn't be sure they weren't connected so its been the occasional glass of wine. As I am so out of practice, I had a business dinner a few days ago and had 2 glasses of wine and ended up two sheets to the wind. The shame. Have an extra one for me!

LeQ, have given up engaging with the OP who is clearly on some kind of twattish wind up.

I may well be way too invested. Or I might just have lots of spare time, what with the cleaners and all..
Or it may just be that once again you have not a single argument to raise or coherent point to put.
Just snarky little personal comments. That's it. One trick pony.

I'm not sure if there is some sort of Godwins Law that will be invoked when I say this, but here goes...

This is all sounding a bit "My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding". The girls (in the programme only, I am not stupid enough to believe it represents the diversity of gypsy and traveller life in the UK) leave school after primary to stay at home and clean so that they are fully trained in cleaning by 16 when they marry. Those that live in caravans seem to spend forever cleaning what is really a very small space. They live in fear of others gossiping about them not cleaning enough. In terms of demeaning - from my cultural perspective - I think both the cleaner and employer of a cleaner is in a better place than these girls.

Le Q: 'I doubt very much if they truly have the wherewithal to pay a cleaner, and even if they did they would feel highly uncomforatble in doing so...because waaaay deep down inside, they strongly suspect that hiring a cleaner isn't for the likes of them.'

Yes - you're spot on. It's not for the likes of me. I am too posh to employ a cleaner. I drive a battered old car, wear charity shop clothes and never throw anything away. Very 'old' money. We don't do flashy. Cleaner et al - just too tacky

Anyone got a butler??!

I'm old money and don't pay someone to clean for several hours a week. We have a daily woman from the village. Oh, and DH's ancient marvel of a nanny who has practically raised three generations single-handed...

Hypocritical post, that, OP. Employing a cleaner is demeaning but you can describe what someone else chooses to do for a job in such scathing and inaccurate terms?

what an odd and pointless thread! agree with LeQ and all the others who have said the op's posts are weird and quite rubbish!

LeQueen at 'Osh-kosh dungarees'.