to NOT want a cleaner?

[OrkaLiely]

it seems to be very common on MN; paying another person to clean your house. Why can't the adults in the house do it between them? And once the kids are old enough to hold a duste,r teach them to help out as well.

I'd hate someone else in our house cleaning up our mess. It sends a bad message to children too. And no-one in this age of dishwashers, washing machines, vacuum cleaners is too busy to do it themselves.

My cleaner is an illegal immigrant so I can get away with paying her less than £2 per hour. It's brilliant! Plus, if she gets narky with me about asking her to do extra stuff I can just threaten her with a quick call to the authorities.

Nothing cuts through grease better than fear I can tell you.

We are kind to her though, if she helps out at our dinner parties I always let her take some leftovers home in a doggy bag and at Christmas I gave her some bath stuff I didnt want and a tenner.

I missed your point pag, I missed your point.

Am currently reading quickly and trying to debone a whole chicken!

Any points from anybody on the latter? I'm fucking useless at it.

I wouldn't debone a chicken and mn at the same time. I would slice things off...

Catgirl
This "discussion" is a pointless waste of time.
Everlong has hit the nail on the head.
Can't help with the chicken I'm afraid - there must be a video on t'internet.

I think chicken deboning is a good progression.

My mum went on a cookery course for about three years when I was growing up. As far as I can tell deboning a chicken was the only thing she learnt.

"Why can't the adults in the house do it?"
Because we tried that and no one ever did anything... Everyone felt like they were getting a bum deal and we had lots of very petty arguments about whose turn it was to clean the bathroom.

Instead it's a valued task which has a monetary value attached to it, and therefore it's not taken for granted. And the house is actually sanitary!

Bet those kitchen stairs take a fair while to dust too LeQ

Children 'should pick up after themselves, clean the bathroom they use ... wipe down the counters their food is prepared on.'

I would hazard a guess that those on this thread who both have children and employ cleaners do also teach their children to do these things (and do them themselves too). As someone said upthread, we are talking about the services of a periodic (weekly or whenever) cleaner rather than someone who lives in and follows people round doing all the cleaning and tidying for the household all the time.

And as for 'every one can and should clean their own homes', well, OP, I suggest you take your judgypants and use them to clean your loos.

Loathe MN? So does this loathing apply to great sections of your local communities too? I'm still looking for where people have said its odd that others don't have a cleaner!

OP said "It's a different matter if it is outside the home because it isn't practical to have staff clean the office"

So still demeaning, just less practical? Even though in many offices the staff could easily do their own cleaning - I have a private one, so in principle I could just hoover and wash the floor before I go home. And in shared offices and for toilets and common areas, people could have a rota. And we can let all cleaning ladies go. I'm sure everybody will be a lot happier, nobody needs to clean up after anybody else.

Next we should get rid of laundry services (someone else washing your dirty clothes!), car washes, gardeners, hairdressers, beauticians...surely it's demeaning to have someone else paint your nails when you can easily do it yourself.

Yes we all all jealous

How about vajazzling it?

I would rather starve than clean for some of the posters on this thread .

Your choice, blushing. I haven't seen anyone say that have anything less than the greatest of respect for their cleaners and the great job they do, so I'm somewhat confused as to what you're so angry about.

I must ask my friend (and cleaner) if she feels 'demeaned', she'll laugh her head off.
Was her being a childminder any less 'demeaning', looking after other peoples' children?

Both my cleaner and my childminder are women I count among my closest friends. So I both respect them and indeed like them both very much. There's certainly no 'mistress and servant' mentality - we're mates helping each other out with things we need.