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Weekend in Amsterdam - how would you feel?

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cathkidstonrefusnik · 18/02/2012 10:46

I wasn't sure where to post this - I'd like to have a range of views, so didn't post in feminism. I've name-changed.

Some background first...I work in a male-dominated environment where the view of women purely as sex objects amongst some of my co-workers (not all by any means) is not far below the surface.

It has improved in the year since I've been there, at least when I'm around, largely because I can, and do, challenge inappropriate behaviour - it's public sector, so there are strict policies, and my boss is very supportive, although somewhat unenlightened himself at times.

Anyway, in a few weeks' time, it's one of my co-worker's stag celebration, and a large party are going to Amsterdam. Now, unless I'm getting the wrong idea, this is bound to involve strip clubs, sex shows, possibly prostitutes, isn't it?

Although it's entirely up to them what they do (legally) in their own time, I must admit it gives me the creeps - I'm quite surprised by some of the ones who are going to, among them married men with young children.

Am I over-reacting? Is it at all possible the weekend will involve drinking and drugs without the sex element?

I haven't commented on it negatively in work, and what exactly the weekend involves hasn't been discussed in my presence.

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Seenenoughtoknow · 14/07/2012 15:08

I'll try and post a link to leave you with. Sorry if it doesn't work.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8457172.stm

ilovesooty · 14/07/2012 15:09

I'm afraid a LOT has changed since the 80's

I've been to Amsterdam on a very regular basis since the 1980s. Perhaps you would care to clarify.

ilovesooty · 14/07/2012 15:09

Oh, I see you've gone.

Seenenoughtoknow · 14/07/2012 15:14

No I'm going now. The link will explain. Right I'll leave you now - don' t come crying when your choice to ignore this industry and the goings on of your husbands backfires on your daughters and granddaughters...I'm sure when you're picking up the pieces of their marriages - and you WILL be - that you'll remember your liberal attitudes here. Not a lot to be proud of in the future I'm afraid. Toodlepip.

klaritaf · 14/07/2012 15:15

Ilovesooty and ladybeagleeyes do tell us more...I love Amsterdam!

Latara · 15/07/2012 07:30

I hadn't realised this thread is from Feb! Was very tired when i posted.
I went on a 3 day hol to Amsterdam approx 4 years ago with 2 best (girl) mates (both sisters).
I used to smoke dope very occasionally (not now) but those 2 friends never tried cannabis & didn't want to go to smoking cafes.

1 of the sisters is a florist; had been to the tulip fields & liked Holland (esp. the chocolates). So we visited the specialist chocolate shops in Amsterdam (mine didn't actually make it home...).

Other friend loves art so we visited the Van Gogh museum; there was a exhibition comparing Van Gogh to similar artists so a lot of other famous paintings on display that weekend. It was amazing; i'd never seen any famous paintings or visited galleries - that visit converted me into an art lover. Now i read about art & look round local galleries.
The Anne Frank house has been turned into a huge museum with only one or two rooms left as they had been; more eduacational to read the diary IMO.

Enjoyed a canal boat trip; lovely architecture; impressed by the cats allowed to stretch out on windowsills in cafes, bars & restaurants!! (wouldn't happen here; which is a shame!).
We went to what turned out to be a local's bar; the barmen didn't speak good English, but as we were the only English women the barmen made a fuss of us, got us to sit down then mixed our cocktails & brought them to our table.
Dutch men were nice - friendly & polite, & good looking :)

My friends wanted to see the red light district (i didn't want to as i lived right next to the red light district in my town at the time). We got pestered by a gang of dodgy non-Dutch men within minutes & so walked back to the main city asap.
I know that the music & club scene there is good; but we wanted to be awake in the day to see the sights (& we went clubbing at home & ibiza back then anyway).

I still think that husbands who are going to use prostitutes in Amsterdam are the same men who would cheat on their wives here on lad's nights out etc.
I know some very decent men who would never cheat; & some who wouldn't think twice. Just like i've known women who've cheated (but not so many).
Most men i've known who go on trips to Amsterdam do visit the smoking cafes; or go clubbing.
The drugs & sex culture is there if you want to find it in Amsterdam & in the UK. (After all: users of drugs in Britain are rarely prosecuted; & brothels seem to be 'left alone' by local police).

I liked Amsterdam & would definitely visit again - bit of an essay but i just wanted to leave this thread with a positive image of Amsterdam.

PickandMixisthefuture · 15/07/2012 19:39

Are you jealous?? If you ask them nicely there might be a spare ticket for you. Then you wont need to speculate on what they may or may not get up to. You could organise the 'entertainment' for them, just so you can enjoy approve it too Grin

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