To round up rightwingers and shoot them?

[Hullygully]

I am so bored and frustrated with politely pointing out why rightwingers are wrong about everything.

If I have to read one more thread about why someone with mental health issues shouldn't have had children, or why someone made homeless should have managed better, or why the benefits cap is a good thing because Fuck the Poor, I will get out my gun and raze the boards of MN.

STOP IGNORING THE FACTS YOU RIGHTWING IGNORAMUSES AND CLIMB DOWN OUT OF YOUR OWN NARROW ARSES TO THE WORLD THAT MOST PEOPLE STRUGGLE ALONG IN.

Oh, and you're all cunts BTW.

Shirley I know exactly who to ask and find out how legit that is if you like , and you can dob them in to the tax man if it's dodgy.

Unfortunately you'd then probably be out of a job and I am assuming like most people you'd like to avoid that right now.

Bloody hell, Shirley. That would have me seething.

ShirleyForAllSeasons you dont pay corporation tax if you dont make a profit but you still pay tax on any dividends you payout to directors.

& you cannot pay dividends if you have not made a profit in previous years & paid corp tax on that profit.

they will also pay tax on company cars.

could you do thier job (better)? if so you should set up in competition.

BelleDameSansMerci Corporation tax has been reduced Glitter...

for large companies but not small co's which is odd as small companies employ more of the UK workforce, hard to avoid tax, offshore jobs etc.

but then thats what political donations buys you. whats really odd is that you only have to give them 250k which is not a king's ransom is it?

It has a lot to do with the urge to buy cheap, do up and make a profit, by selling on or making a "portfolio" as strongly encouraged by all thoseTV shows. I was thinking earlier that the radiant and lovely Sarah Beeney has a lot to answer for.....

There is a lot to be said for regulating the rental industry the way it is here.

Te - I know, but they have a wiley accountant - not wiley enough IMHO but there is certainly some cooking of books going on, There is no way I'm going to report them - I need my £300/week cheers!

Tilly - There are some pretty hefty loopholes - either that or the accountant is crooked, either way it is all dependant on them getting "caught" isn't it?

Anyway - I was giving an example of what actually happens in the Biznizz world.

Coral given that the owner of Wonga is one of Cameron's mates and advisors, don;t think that one will be changing!

I don't have beefs with individual bankers- heck my area was fucked long before this crisis- but I do wonder why I would pay individual attention to your history when you skipped that of my family.

Nd YY to regualtion of rents

our LL is lovely, we have been here 7, 8 years- the stability has been wonderful hut we have annual leases so every November I dip into brief despair waiting to know.

Oh, OH and I have to say this.

Tilly! I am so - impressed is the wrong word and comes of as patronising I think - glad to see you here, shouting the odds against unfairness despite being on the right side of the political spectrum.

Honestly, I think that when I rail against right wingers I'm generally talking about those who are "I'm alright Jack and actually I would prefer a World where the poor knew their fucking place - in the gutter" which is often what I see on here, it's so lovely to know that (what I've always believed) being RW does not mean that and those in the more "normal" part of the spectrum in between left and right CAN talk to one another and understand that what is happening is bad, and that what happened before was bad (ie under a Labour Govnt) as well, without it turning into the polarisation that so often occurs.

Peachy - we are nearly 4 years into a 9 year lease. I sold my house in the UK and stressed so much about renting, but this is our home - and will remain so for the foreseeable. And we get to just hand in notice in a few years when we want to live closer to a reasonable secondary school. Renting can and should be like this in the UK.

If we don't get sick/made redundant of course....

I didn't know that about Wonga owner. I am saddened but not at all surprised that one of DC's pals is making money from exploiting the poor.

Well if you ask me i think there should be a cap on bonuses, Say 20% of yearly wage.

The laws surrounding tax payments/avoidance of big companies should be tightened.

The tax rates should be higher the more profit you make not lower.

and DC and IDS should be shot through the arse

Fair enough, Shirley i thought you might say that (and most would right now) I just happen to know a forensic accountant. Them's the wileyest!

It is SO wrongheaded that big business are being given tax breaks and small business' aren't. Small businesses ARE future employment, we really need them if we're going to get the number of available jobs up. It makes me very cross. (Labour actually do have a decent policy on this which is tax breaks for small & medium companies taking on new employees)

Oh and scrap the Workfare rubbish.

We want to get people into work so we will fill thousands of vacancies with a free workforce. hmm yes that works. NOT!

I love hully. So depressed with the news recently - I hate right wingers and i hate the way this country is going. I used to be a teenage single mum on benefits - now, 20 years on, I'm a 2nd time around old, middle class mum who works full time and pays plenty of tax (- and I think I was probably a better mum 1st time round, although i might be more 'respectable' now..) - and I seem to be one of the few people in the UK who really doesn't have a problem with my tax paying for benefits for those who need them. What goes around comes around.

Porto - I grew up in Belgium (am CdP - hello!) and agree that there is not the same focus on home ownership there as there is here. We are obsessed with buying property in the UK and that has made the BTL market really competitive and with many LL in the market for a quick buck whereas the BTL LLs I know in Belgium just consider it their pension.

Very different countries though - our economy is so founded on the financial markets that we took a massive hit when everything went belly up.

coraltoes - I'm sorry your parents couldn't afford to eat. But given they weren't in the UK, I can't see how that is at all relevant. We are very very lucky in the UK that we have an adequate welfare system that (up until now) has largely helped the least able in society. I really don't want to become a country where people can't afford to eat. That's not why I pay my taxes.

Valar - now I do agree with your there.

Workfare is the stupidest idea I have ever heard of. It just displaces people who are already working and earning because it is cheaper for firms to hire someone on workfare that the Govt pays and then the person who was previously getting paid to do the job also ends up on workfare.

In the end, taken to its logical conclusion, everyone will be on workfare.

Not good enough

Many higher earners are self employed, contracters or ceo's of companies, and there many ways in which they can write off expenses and thus avoid tax.
I have no idea why I paid less tax than I thought I should have-just that accountants do their thing and there always seem to be ways round it.
(It was only one year, so no idea if it would have been different the next year).

I guess if you are paye you do pay the full whack, but I wonder how many proper wealthy people are paye?

People were borrowing way more than they should have because the house prices were (and remain) so inflated that it was the only way to buy a house.
If renting was more stable, and cheaper, more people would be happy to rent.
It's normal here to pay more than 50% of your income on just housing alone.

And the banks are to blame because they were lending irresponsibly knowing the borrowers would default.
if there had not been the irresponsible lending, house prices would not have been able to become so high.

i know what you mean. but if we start shooting them we become them. even if we do it for the right reasons.

can i entice you to join the Greens? we are a really lovely bunch... especially Caroline Lucas

join us...

interesting thread, Boffy ....

I was raised pretty much the same as you, at around the same time. I would say the physical violence did, in fact, "do me some harm" but perhaps it was more extreme than yours.

Discussions on here have prompted me to think about "Care in the Community" so I was drawn to your thread. When it started, I thought it was stupid and inhumane. Now I look around at improved disabled access in many places, at people of various ages scooting round the shops in their mobility scooters, and at the little groups of mentally handicapped people I see around town, doing things and seeming very happy. And I think I was wrong.

I was wrong to assume disabled people wouldn't live contented lives 'out here' and I was massively wrong to assume they wouldn't get enough support. I was wrong because I had zero knowledge about disability - while I was at school, children who couldn't walk were considered ineducable and stuck in homes for the '"subnormal." Adults who got severely injured went into hospital and never came out. The apparently homogeneous society I lived in was hiding up to a third of its members so I knew nothing about them.

I like the way frailty's been supported in our communities. No system is perfect; it fails sometimes but on the whole I think it's enhanced lives for both the able and the less-able.

I do think we're heading rapidly back towards a highly institutional situation - and those institutions won't be nice; they'll be cut-price boxes for getting large chunks of 'awkward' citizens out of the way. That isn't a capitalist solution; it's more closely reminiscent of Soviet policy in the USSR. It is also, though, reminiscent of fascist policies in pre-war Germany: both left and right wing, then, but socialist in both cases.

I'm not on any wing. I'm a capitalist. If the economic arguments for slicing the legs off social support were irrefutable, I'd reluctantly agree with them. But they're not. I've pointed you to a factual summary on the Frothers thread, and look forward to your reply.

I guess the question is: When you describe yourself as right-wing, Boffy, do you mean capitalist - in which case your proposition here is leaky - or do you mean you believe in forced social control - in which case right and left wings look identical?

ARGH! For some reason I thought this was Boffy's thread

Sorry, Hully.

Still, I don't fancy shooting anyone except Dave Bacon-Face and his cronies and stand by my reply to Boffy. Just so long as you know I didn't think it was you

Too late Garlic