To round up rightwingers and shoot them?

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I am so bored and frustrated with politely pointing out why rightwingers are wrong about everything.

If I have to read one more thread about why someone with mental health issues shouldn't have had children, or why someone made homeless should have managed better, or why the benefits cap is a good thing because Fuck the Poor, I will get out my gun and raze the boards of MN.

STOP IGNORING THE FACTS YOU RIGHTWING IGNORAMUSES AND CLIMB DOWN OUT OF YOUR OWN NARROW ARSES TO THE WORLD THAT MOST PEOPLE STRUGGLE ALONG IN.

Oh, and you're all cunts BTW.

How is everyone paying for it?

The top level, the highest earners aren't. They've even managed to get an opt out of passenger taxes for private jets, while us PROLES pay our taxes on a fortnight to Spain.

Just a teeny example there of the inequality and sheer arrogance of the government and their cuts.

Taking money from disabled children to pay for the rich to carry on being rich and get even richer is abhorrent.

But anode, if you make it so that people are struggling to the point of missing meals, that hardly helps stimulate the economy, does it?

We are at a standstill, and there is already no confidence in the markets. Companies are going under left right and centre.
The public sector is/was inefficient, but it is also a vast employer. What do you think people do with their wages?
Thats right they buy shoes from Peacocks..oh, shit, and er, book holidays with Thomas Cook...fuck.
Also, the middle might be being squeezed but until you are missing doctors appointments because you can't afford the bus fare you dont really get it.

Although on the plus side, I have lost 6 pounds

I will write a book-the broke single mum diet. I'll make millions and be one of those rich people I supposedly despise.

The "all paying" is, at best, disproportionate. Mostly, it's a big fat lie.

Northern

Top level earners are, they pay more tax, up to 50% of income and more in in £'s. It is only fair they do. As far as tax on private planes it is not really relevant as it would hardly generate any tax. Believe it or not there are not many private planes about.

Shirley- According to the IFS the richest decile stand to lose around 7.5% of their net income by the changes in tax and spending by 2014-15, that is compared to the the poorest decile losing just over 1% by the same time period.

Northernwreck- We do have the confidence of the markets, UK bonds still have very low yields and the rating agencies are not threatening to downgrade us. There are problems regarding consumer confidence I agree but I do not think gambling on the bond market not turning on us is the way to resolve this.

Ilovecoffee. Higher earners pay higher taxation on a proportion of their wages. FUCK ME can you please just go and get some facts instead of continually blurting your nonsense everywhere? It's very irritating trying to educate you and I really CBA anymore.

Anode - Projected stats are all well and good, let me get back to my computer to give you some stuff on how these cuts affect the poorest much more proportionally.

Probably simplistic, but why can't there be taxation on large corporations that kicks in when they publish quite frankly obscene profits that can then be offset if they employ and pay more workers rather than using slave labour Workfare?

There would be higher employment that is not being paid for by the state, more taxes being paid by all these newly employed people and the corporations would get to keep their profit (albeit slightly lower from paying salaries)

CBA to paraphrase so c&p'd from another thread:

It just cannot be right that last year the richest section of society saw their salaries rise 18x more than those at the bottom.

It cannot be right that the top 10% of the country own 90% of it's assets.

It cannot be right that the divide between rich and poor (and I include most working people in this) is bigger now that at any time in the last 40 years.

Cutting benefits may give the working poor or even the squeezed middle short term satisfaction that someone is suffering more than they are, but it won't improve their own lives. Taxation won't be cut for them and housing/commuting/childcare costs will continue to rise because the rich aren't affected by these things and therefore will not have the drive to bring them down - indeed in some cases they will fight to increase prices since housing and commuting generate a lot of wealth for those who own them.

I have lost 5% of my income already anode.(I reckon in the last 3 months I have been the poorest decile)
And that 5 % affects me a lot. And by extension, my child.

Uh am I northern?!

I didn't say everyone here was on benefits. I said labour had bought a lot of loyalty. I'd like to see what they would be doing if still in power to manage the situation. I am totally against the poorest suffering and large corporations being allowed to avoid tax. I am not against assessing and changing the system to make cuts where viable.

Coral / I need realise that DLA was a Tory policy, yes?

it's not the benefits that are the issue: it is the disparity between housing costs and earnings that caused people to need tax credits. Had people been willing to see stagnation of housing prices years ago a lot of it was avoidable, however there were huge outcries- people spent far more than they could afford on housing and regrded it not as a roof but an investment.

It is ridiculous that benefits are required to raise earned full time incomes to living level but it is what we have. Rent should be a 1/3 of one's monthly income; on MW that would be approx £324 PCM one wage, : it's not the way it is at all! i wish it were! The jpoint version would get you somewhere here but anyone with nouse knows if we centralise all the mwearners in the lwoest areas the other places would cease to fucntion- no TAs, cRERS. NANNIES,CLEAVE3RS, CALL CENTRE OPS......

sorry for caps three year old at PC

and of course tehre aren't enough jobs, full stop; IDS can bark his rhetoric about work and Lord Fraud his sheer nastiness, but if there are no jobs people will be jobless. 1 + 1 = 2 etc

Shirley
The people with the top 1 per cent of incomes pay very nearly a quarter of all the income tax - Source BBC News

If if you earnt £200k (I wish) you would pay an effective rate of tax of 42% and if you earnt £25k the effective rate of tax would be 22%.

So pay more in real terms and a higher %. It is hard trying to educate you! :)

I also have to listen to all you nonsense everywhere but listen i will. Just a different opinion thats all.

Yes, what did happen to that pie in the bloody sky "the private sector will create the jobs to cover the redundancies in the public sector" idea? Haven't heard much about that one lately.

I just typed "fuckwits" but they aren't, are they? They know what they're doing and it's deliberate and they don't care about the consquences.

The problem is that people have become accustomed to high and unsustainable levels of public spending providing them with increased standards of living that could not be paid for in the long term. Gordon Browns arrogant claims that he'd abolished the business cycle meant that the Government just kept on spending money without thinking about what would happen should the economy have a downturn and we had a slowdown since 2007/8. This has led to fiscal policy getting out of control and the high living standards being sustained by high levels of public borrowing and spending are decreasing as they cannot be paid for.
This is now being corrected through tax increases and spending reductions before we come under pressure from the markets and its starting to adversely affecting living standards and people don't like it. There's not much that can be done as tax rates have to be kept at competitive levels so the deficit has to be eradicated mostly through spending reductions and this tends to hurt the poorest in society. This is also a sensible place to start as public spending has increased enormously in the last 10 years or so. Ironically it was Tony Blair that said that the poorest will suffer if the public finances get out of control and yet he did nothing to reign his Chancellor in. There is no easy solutions to this problem, the mistake was getting into this situation in the first place.

Right you are bemybaby - I would describe myself as conservative in relation to most things however, I find myself strongly objecting to the way things are being done. I can barely face to read a newspaper for worry I might read about more people being made redundant. Bankers and people at the top of business have earned far too much for far too long and I do feel it is about time they took a paycut or gave a substantial amount to the taxman.

I don't think you would want to know some of my other views - you might not like them but when it comes to bankers and the city I am becoming more left the older I get.

Nurter - Think you have hit the nail on the head, it is such a worry that spending was allowed to get out of control and it is so painful to get it under control but it has to be done.

I wish we could merge all these threads, since I seem to have to keep repeating myself across them. Anyone else?

If someone pays 50% of their salary of £15,000 they will starve and become homeless. If someone pays 50% of their salary of £100,000 they will still have more than double the average wage in this country.

I don't care whether it's proportional in real terms or percentages, but it is the sign of a fair and civilised society that wealth is redistributed by the rich paying more than the poor. Even the rich benefit when the gap between rich and poor is kept below a certain point because society is more harmonious, people lower down spend more, and social mobility is higher.

There are enough wealthy people on MN who don't advocate cutting benefits and instead support closing tax loopholes to demonstrate that this isn't a question of where you are in the economics chain but how selfish you are.

I am a city trader. I pay a hell of a lot in tax....do not avoid a penny. What else should I do, one little? Hand out cash on the street? I employ people, I spend locally, I give to charity... I think some people assume us to all be thieves. Most of us were not involved in mortgage risk trading. Easier to blame bankers solely than also lumping in though politicians or regulators.

Btw I do not disagree with the amount of tax I pay!

Tax increases like the 50% tax that certain cabinet members would like abolished because it affects them and their mates?

FWIW, it doesn't take that high a salary to get into the top 1%. According to the BBC it's £118k so it's probably not all that surprising that this group accounts for such a high percentage of taxes paid. Don't assume that everyone in this bracket resents paying.

Interesting that you are using an individual POV to demonstrate your point coral. I agree that not all bankers and city workers (I worked in the CoL myself) are responsible for this crisis.

I applaud your gifts to charity, your use of local services et al.

It is frustrating however, that you refuse to acknowledge those who ALSO have personal stories to tell on the opposite side of this shiny coin. Have you been reading the posts from people who can't afford to EAT?